Do you call a 2nd foul?

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I put it this way. Many feel a false double foul is something that you call, but it is something that happens as a result of a second action. A false double foul is more about how you administer the fouls, not what you called. So you are right, we call these more often than we ever realize, but people get caught up in the name and think they are doing too much as a result.

Peace

I think I would be hard pressed to even come up with a memory of myself uttering the words "false" anything outside an association meeting or class. Only use it on the net in discussion forums/facebook

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

I think I would be hard pressed to even come up with a memory of myself uttering the words "false" anything outside an association meeting or class.

When such odd situations occur, and my partner and I have a short tête-à-tête discussion, and if they seem confused, I will occasionally drop the term "false double foul", usually followed by "penalties for fouls are administered in the order in which they occur".

When discussing with a coach I usually leave out the "false double foul" part.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... "penalties for fouls are administered in the order in which they occur".

Of course, as of last year, this is no longer always the case (faking being fouled).

Too bad, it was always so easy to follow.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1052986

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... "penalties for fouls are administered in the order in which they occur".

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... as of last year, this is no longer always the case (faking being fouled).

Can we change the wording to "penalties for fouls are administered in the order in which they are charged"?

Will that cover all NFHS situations?

[bucky]

This entire idea seems hypocritical. Nobody calls multiple fouls, which occur with far greater frequency, so why call a false double foul?

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by bucky

This entire idea seems hypocritical. Nobody calls multiple fouls, which occur with far greater frequency, so why call a false double foul?

In a false double scenario, it's almost always a Technical foul as the second foul

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

This entire idea seems hypocritical. Nobody calls multiple fouls, which occur with far greater frequency, so why call a false double foul?

I have seen this happen but never considered the second foul or action. The first action IMO usually causes the second action.

But as said, the vast majority of FDFs are a technical foul, not this kind of situation in the original post at all.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The first action ... usually causes the second action.

Agree that it can happen in that manner, but are we allowed to ignore the second action?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... they seem confused, I will occasionally ... by "penalties for fouls are administered in the order in which they occur".

Confused because that it not always the case in levels above high school.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

I think I would be hard pressed to even come up with a memory of myself uttering the words "false" anything outside an association meeting or class. Only use it on the net in discussion forums/facebook

I agree that we do not always use the terms. I know I have to illustrate what we are doing to take the stigma out of the term. Many people think we are calling some exotic or unusual thing, but all of us have called a live ball and a dead ball foul. Or in some cases, multiple dead-ball fouls. Or at the very least, seen them called. That is really all those are. So I have said the term to let people know that is what we are doing under rules language, but not something I would make a big deal about.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

I actually saw this exact play happen at a try-out camp for the Northeast Conference. It was a game I was watching (not working), but it was the exact casebook play. I got really excited for a second, but the crew on the court only called the shooting foul. I would have loved to have seen them explain it to the coaches!