Faking Being Fouled Rule ...

[BillyMac]

We had our local IAABO new NFHS rules meeting last night.

We spent thirty minutes alone on all the permutations of the new faking being fouled rule, warnings and technical fouls, faking by offensive players and defensive players, signals, whistles, and delayed whistles.

Our local interpreter (also the Connecticut State interpreter) mentioned a very odd situation where a team on offense could actually gain an advantage by faking being fouled.

Team A has not been warned in the game for faking being fouled. Team A has the alternating possession arrow. Team A has the ball. Team A is leading by one point very late in the game. Thirty-five second shot clock is winding down.

A1, after releasing a jump shot, intentionally fakes being fouled. Official sounds his whistle and signals an open hand to stop the clock and the faking being fouled signal.

Ball hits the rim and bounces off the rim.

Official reports that Team A faked being fouled to the table and a warning is issued.

No team control on the attempted shot, so go to the alternating possession arrow. Team A gets the ball.

Since the ball hit the rim, Team A also gets a full thirty-five seconds on the shot clock.

Our interpreter told that the NFHS is aware of this odd situation, they believe that coaches are smart enough to take advantage of this situation, and will issue an interpretation regarding such in early December.

[BillyMac]

A long time ago in a galaxy not so far, far away a few officials decided that it was deceitful and unsporting for players to fake being fouled so they decided to make the act a player technical foul.

However, over the many years, officials across the galaxy unilaterally decided that the penalty was too severe so they never actually charged the technical foul, but would occasionally give a player an unofficial oral warning.

Many basketball aficionados have never observed the technical foul being charged in decades of playing, coaching, observing, or officiating basketball games.

Fast forward to modern times and a few officials got together over a few beers at the Mos Eisley Cantina and decided to make the penalty less severe, give an official warning first, and make it a team technical foul.

Maybe by making the penalty less severe it may be called more often?

Sounds simple. Sounds great. Right?

Until one gets down to the brass tacks and dives into the weeds and down the rabbit hole.

Lots of permutations in applying the new rule and penalty. Warnings and technical fouls. Faking by offensive players and defensive players. Signals, whistles, and delayed whistles.

Penalties not administered in the order in which they occurred (is this a NFHS first).

We spent thirty minutes on this rule change alone at last night’s local new rules meeting.

Is it all worth it?

Couldn’t the NFHS have just kept the old faking being fouled rule and made it a point of emphasis; encouraging officials actually call it in a game?

Wouldn’t one, or two, faking being fouled player technical fouls at the beginning of a season put an end to all of this foolishness?

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

...Penalties not administered in the order in which they occurred (is this a NFHS first)...

We spent thirty minutes on this rule.

You've seen this in writing in NFHS - penalties not administered in the order they occurred (Fundamental 12) - dissimilar to what follows?

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This was the situation and administration in Play 5 from an IAABO presentation on Technical Fouls today:

Team B is warned for Faking Being Fouled in the first quarter. Later in the game, A-1 releases the ball during a try for goal and defender B-2 fakes being fouled.

The ruling official withholds a whistle and displays the signal for faking being fouled. A-1's try is unsuccessful. A-3 secures the rebound and is fouled by B-4 while in the act of shooting.

Ruling: Officials award A-3 two free throws with no players lined up for the foul by B-4 while A-3 was in the act of shooting. Team A is then awarded two free throws for the second infraction of the faking-being-fouled rule and Team A is awarded the ball at the division line for the ensuing throw-in. Is this correct? YES!

Officials should display the faking-being-fouled signal and withhold their whistle when a defender fakes being fouled. The offensive team is allowed to complete their attempt to score and then play should be stopped. In this case, play was stopped when A-3 was fouled in the act of shooting. In situations similar to this, first penalize the foul that caused play to be stopped (foul in the act of shooting) [emphasis added].

Because the ball will remain dead, no players line up for the foul-in-the-act-of-shooting free throws and no players line up for free throws resulting from the technical foul due to Team B's second infraction of the faking-being-fouled rule. Continue play by awarding the ball to Team A for a division-line throw-in.

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Even though B-2's faking being fouled takes place before the foul by B-4, once play is stopped, the personal foul gets reported to the scorer first and then the faking being fouled gets reported. Once confirmed by the scorer as a subsequent offense, Team B is assessed a Team Technical Foul, which has then 'occurred' after the personal foul was assessed.

[Valley Man]

I mentioned the potential advantage when it first came out

Team A has the AP arrow. Down 3 and A2 attempts a game tying 3 and fakes being fouled. Attempt is good .. warning. Attempt is missed Team A gets the ball back????

[FlasherZ]

I think I said the same (forget which forum)... so I think it's pretty clear coaches will be trying to use it if many of us see it.

[johnny d]

Delay the signal for the flop until after team control is established either by rebound or made basket. Problem solved. No advantage gained.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Delay the signal for the flop until after team control is established either by rebound or made basket. Problem solved. No advantage gained.

https://www.nfhs.org/media/7213020/f...-practices.pdf

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Delay the signal for the flop until after team control is established either by rebound or made basket. Problem solved. No advantage gained.

Give the signal immediately, but delay the whistle. According to some new NFHS (or at least IHSA) presentation:

WHEN THE OFFENSIVE TEAM A HAS RELEASED THE BALL
1st Infraction (Successful Try): the basket will count, a warning issued to Team A and the ball put back in play at the Point of Interruption
All additional infractions, the basket will count, and a Team A Technical, 2 free throws and possession for team B

1st Infraction (Unsuccessful Try): Play continues until Team A scores via tip-in, team control is established by either team, or the ball becomes dead (out-of-bounds or basket interference/ goaltending on the shot). A warning would then be issued to Team A and the ball would be put back into play (POI)
All additional infractions result in a Team A Technical foul, 2 free throws and possession for Team B

[BillyMac]

From IAABO:

[JRutledge]

Illinois just came out with a procedure that they have seemed to have finalized and we are to wait until control is to have taken place before we stop play.

Basically, if the offense does the flop, we can stop it immediately barring a shot in the air. But once the rebound has taken place or the ball goes out of bounds, we stop play then and make the warning announcement.












Peace

[bob jenkins]

See new case 4.49.A "Once Team A scores or Team B gains control, the official blows the whistle to stop ply."

Not sure if it's supposed to be dispositive.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Our local interpreter (also the Connecticut State interpreter) mentioned a very odd situation where a team on offense could actually gain an advantage by faking being fouled.

Team A has not been warned in the game for faking being fouled. Team A has the alternating possession arrow. Team A has the ball. Team A is leading by one point very late in the game. Thirty-five second shot clock is winding down.

A1, after releasing a jump shot, intentionally fakes being fouled. Official sounds his whistle and signals an open hand to stop the clock and the faking being fouled signal.

Ball hits the rim and bounces off the rim.

Official reports that Team A faked being fouled to the table and a warning is issued.

No team control on the attempted shot, so go to the alternating possession arrow. Team A gets the ball.

Since the ball hit the rim, Team A also gets a full thirty-five seconds on the shot clock.

Our interpreter told that the NFHS is aware of this odd situation, they believe that coaches are smart enough to take advantage of this situation, and will issue an interpretation regarding such in early December.

Originally Posted by Valley Man

Team A has the AP arrow. Down 3 and A2 attempts a game tying 3 and fakes being fouled. Attempt is good .. warning. Attempt is missed Team A gets the ball back????

We recently got our IAABO interpretation (not NFHS).



NFHS 9-2-Note 2: In the situations with the clock running and five seconds or less are left on the game clock, a throwin plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock.

In both (delay and flop) such time sensitive situations, ignore.

IAABO has notified us that the NFHS will codify this interpretation next year.

[JRutledge]

Why would we call this immediately? No other level does this.

Let the play finish the game might be over by the time you have such an infraction.

I do not like IAABO's take on this and have no issue stating that. It only causes situations where the rule can be circumvented.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why would we call this immediately?

Because the NFHS says to whistle it (offensive shooter flopping) immediately (with continuous motion applying).

https://www.nfhs.org/media/7213020/f...-practices.pdf



According to IAABO (and probably the NFHS next year) this is the one exception when one would not sound the whistle immediately when offensive shooter flops: If the only purpose of the flop is to stop the clock.

[JRutledge]

I do not know what the NF says because the NF has stated to their members something different and have not put out.

The chart is great, but there have been challenges to that and does not state that in their own literature (the first play in the casebook as an example).

Again, my state is not doing the "immediately" thing unless it is a head bob or some other kind of action when the ball is in control of the offense. On a shot, we are not doing it immediately as it might not be any control when ruling a flop.

This is my total frustration with this rule, they did not think of a lot of the possibilities and tried to be cute and different from the other levels for some reason. They just should have adopted whatever NCAA Men's or Women's did and called it a day. But instead, they did the cute thing and needed be unique when this has been done at the NCAA level for years now. Men's has been using this rule since 2019 and Women's ball put in the rule last year. Pick a side and do it that way.

But again, my state is not going anything immediately on a shot and stated several times the AP arrow is not to be used or wait until control so play can be stopped. Indiana that I also work did the very same thing after being told how waiting until the "next dead ball" could be very problematic. The head person for Indiana is currently on the NF Basketball Committee and was advised to change their initial interpretation.

I get that TJ is now on the committee, but it appears many with the NF are not talking with each other. Because it seems obvious the NF started changing their stances and telling states what they wanted to be done.

Peace