Table Crew Help ???

[BillyMac]

I saw a super weird play in a State Tournament game last night.

Weirdest play of the year.

Luckily the score wasn’t close.

Very odd alley oop play.

All three officials were surprised by the play and the pass went directly into the basket.

Nobody in the gym expected a shot in that situation. A pass such as that that goes in counts (the ball stayed above the ring level), but all being surprised, and thinking it was a pass, failed to get a look at the three point line.

No three point attempt signals, no successful three point signals, no choice; it had to count as a two.

Game was already decided, so no question from the coach.

The player that was supposed to receive the pass for a dunk never touched the ball, but he did touch the ring.

Since it was deemed a pass, not a try, goaltending is immediately off the table, leaving just basket interference.

Player never touched the ball. The ball was in the cylinder above the basket when the ring was touched by the player. That’s a legal play, different story if the ball was on the ring when the ring was touched, or if the ball was touched in the cylinder above the basket.

Great no call, count the basket.

Now the hard part.

Two or three?

Nobody noted where the pass originated from in regard to the three point line.

Could the officials have asked the table crew for help?

A few years ago, as a trail, I had a train wreck on the floor at the elbow during a shot attempt. I called a foul on the defender, but my attention was immediately directed to the possibly hurt players on the floor. I eventually reported the foul to the table, two free throws, and one coach immediately and politely asked me, “Didn’t the ball go in?”. So I asked my rookie partner (worst partner ever, sounded whistle for “Incidental contact” earlier in the game), and got no help. So I asked the table crew and all three, home scorer, visiting scorer, and timer, agreed that the ball went in. So I counted the basket and administered one free throw.

[bucky]

Unsure but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the table is part of the crew. Don't see why getting help from them would be an issue, especially if both scorers agree.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by bucky

Unsure but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the table is part of the crew. Don't see why getting help from them would be an issue, especially if both scorers agree.

In playoff games, especially in late rounds, there is an alternate official at the table. This alternate official should definitely be able to assist the crew. Even if there is no alternate official, you could ask the timer. If he has definite knowledge that the ball was thrown from behind the 3-point line, the officials can use that and have him add an extra point to the score (if he added 2 points).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

... you could ask the timer. If he has definite knowledge that the ball was thrown from behind the 3-point line, the officials can use that and have him add an extra point to the score.

Since there was no touchdown three point signal given, it's treated as a correctable error and must be addressed and corrected within the correctable error time frame.

If there had been a touchdown three point signal given and it was mistakenly added as two points to the scorebook and scoreboard, that's a bookkeeping error that can be corrected until the officials leave the visual confines of the gym.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

In playoff games, especially in late rounds, there is an alternate official at the table. This alternate official should definitely be able to assist the crew. Even if there is no alternate official, you could ask the timer. If he has definite knowledge that the ball was thrown from behind the 3-point line, the officials can use that and have him add an extra point to the score (if he added 2 points).

Just for clarity, not everyone does this. There is no alternate in my Illinois until the State Finals which includes the Semifinals, 3rd Place game, and Championship game. That might not be the case everywhere that has an alternate. Should have one, but they don't.

All the Regionals, Sectionals, and Super-Sectionals just have the 3 officials.

Peace

[JRutledge]

For the record the result of the pass/shot is a 3 if the ball was thrown behind the 3 point line. It does not have to be a try to be that way.

Now there was clarity this year on if the ball is deflected by the defender, if the ball goes in, it could be a 2 if you deemed the deflection was the only result of the ball going to the basket as opposed to it already being at or above the rim.

Peace

[Raymond]

That doesn't seem like Billy's writing style. I think an AI chat box wrote the original post.

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