Blood Quiz Question

[bob jenkins]

Maybe an (another) example of "getting credit" vs. "knowing the rule":

The officials discover blood on A1's jersey and a bleeding cut on B1. What is the correct procedure?

A. A1 & B1 can take as long as necessary to get the blood situation cleared up and remain in the game.

B. If one coach calls timeout, both players may remain in game as long as blood is cleaned up, and the wound is covered by the end of timeout.

C. Either coach or both coaches may call a timeout before the end of the replacement interval in order to keep their player in the game.

D. None of the above.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Maybe an (another) example of "getting credit" vs. "knowing the rule": The officials discover blood on A1's jersey and a bleeding cut on B1. What is the correct procedure?

C. Either coach or both coaches may call a timeout before the end of the replacement interval in order to keep their player in the game.

What do I win?

"A set of encyclopedias, a case of Turtle Wax, and a year's supply of Rice-A-Roni"?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

C. Either coach or both coaches may call a timeout before the end of the replacement interval in order to keep their player in the game.

What do I win?

"A set of encyclopedias, a case of Turtle Wax, and a year's supply of Rice-A-Roni"?

See note 2 at the top of page 26 of the rules book.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

See note 2 at the top of page 26 of the rules book.

3-3-7-Note- 2: A time-out granted to keep a player in the game must be requested before the replacement interval begins.

Too bad, I was really looking forward to that year's supply of Rice-A-Roni.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

3-3-7-Note-2: A time-out granted to keep a player in the game must be requested before the replacement interval begins.

I'd like blue cheese dressing on this word salad.

I'm not sure what this means?

A1 has blood on his jersey. Team A head coach uses twenty seconds to try to remove the blood. After the twenty seconds ends he has failed to fully remove all the blood, and then he requests a thirty second timeout, is then successful in completely removing the blood just as the thirty second timeout ends, and then he expects to keep A1 in the game.

How does 3-3-7-Note-2 impact this situation, if it actually does have an impact?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A1 has blood on his jersey. Team A head coach uses twenty seconds to try to remove the blood. After the twenty seconds ends he has failed to fully remove all the blood, and then he requests a thirty second timeout, is then successful in completely removing the blood just as the thirty second timeout ends, and then he expects to keep A1 in the game.

A1 can remain in the game.

A has 20 seconds to remove the blood. At the end of the 20 seconds (if the blood is not removed) the coach must choose sub or TO. If he chooses sub, then the replacement interval begins. The coach now CAN NOT be granted a TO until the sub come in.

It's all the same as last year, except there's an additional 20-second period at the front for the coach to decide (and try to clean the blood).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A has 20 seconds to remove the blood. At the end of the 20 seconds (if the blood is not removed) the coach must choose sub or TO. If he chooses sub, then the replacement interval begins. The coach now CAN NOT be granted a TO until the sub come in.

Great explanation. Thanks bob jenkins.

[bob jenkins]

The "official" answer is C (unless /until they change it). The "correct" answer is D.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

3-3-7-Note-2: A time-out granted to keep a player in the game must be requested before the replacement interval begins.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

A has 20 seconds to remove the blood. At the end of the 20 seconds (if the blood is not removed) the coach must choose sub or TO. If he chooses sub, then the replacement interval begins. The coach now CAN NOT be granted a TO until the sub come in.

So A1 is injured badly and will definitely not be coming back into the game. As Team A head coach is pondering who to substitute into the game, he decides to request a thirty second timeout to discuss strategy with his players. Official does not grant the request until A6 reports and is beckoned for A1.

Do I have this right?

Is that the purpose and intent of 3-3-7-Note-2?

I still considier 3-3-7-Note-2 to be a word salad, best served with a little fresh pepper from a pepper grinder.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do I have this right?

You are missing a step (or assuming it happened without including it). I will usually use the phrase "sub or TO?" to the coach. Even when it's obvious, as in your case, I will say something like "you'll have fifteen seconds to sub" and wait for him / her in case s/he wants the TO right away. If the coach says "sub" (or does not say "TO"), then I go to the table to start the clock. THAT"S WHEN the replacement interval starts and it's now too late for the coach to request a TO to keep the player in the game.

See cases 3.3.6 and 3.3.7 including those at the beginning of the case book and in the section on each rule (a total of eight or so cases).

I should add that this note is not new. Not sure how long it's been there, but at least for several years (probably longer).

[Danvrapp]

And if coach A spends a TO to keep his/her player in the game and B1 can get cleaned up in time, do we allow both players back in without coach B being required to spend a TO?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

And if coach A spends a TO to keep his/her player in the game and B1 can get cleaned up in time, do we allow both players back in without coach B being required to spend a TO?

In HS, each team must take a TO. Case 3.3.7C (and others)

In NCAAW, only one coach needs to take the TO.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

See cases 3.3.6 and 3.3.7 including those at the beginning of the case book and in the section on each rule (a total of eight or so cases).

3.3.6 SITUATION: A1 appears to be injured and an official properly halts play.
(a) Team A's coach rushes onto the court to check A1 before the official can beck-on. (b) An
official beckons the coach who rushes onto the court to check A1. (c)
An official beckons the coach and the coach declines to enter the court. A1 seems to be ready to
play within a few seconds and the officials resume play with A1 still in the game. RULING: In (a),
(b) and (c), incorrect procedure. COMMENT: A1 must be removed once the coach is beckoned,
regardless of whether the coach enters the court, or if the coach enters the court without being
beckoned. In all three situations, the coach may request a time-out to keep the player in the
game provided the replacement interval for the substitution has not begun. (10-5-2)

3.3.7 SITUATION: Officials discover blood on players A1 and B1 simultaneously and direct both
players to their benches and signal the timer to begin the
20-second timer. Team B resolves the issue in under 20 seconds while A1 is not ready to play
with the 20-second timer expires. The official notifies the head coach of Team A that A1 must
leave the game until the bleeding is stopped, the wound is covered, the uniform is properly
cleaned, and/or changed. B1 is allowed to remain in the game. RULING: Correct procedure.
COMMENT: Players are given 20 seconds to resolve any minor blood incident on their body or
uniform. Officials will direct the timer to give an audio signal with 15 seconds left in the 20
second timer. If a player is not ready to continue after 20 seconds, the player must exit the
game. Team A may take a time-out after the 20 seconds to address the issue and keep A1 in the
game. (2-12-6, 3-3-7 NOTE 1)

3.3.6 SITUATION A: A1 is injured and play is stopped to permit the athletic trainer or physician to
administer aid. (a) A1 is removed from the court and replaced within less than one minute; or
(b) the injury is such that the physician will not allow A1 to be removed from the court until
being certain it is prudent to do so. After approximately five minutes, A1 is moved from the
court. RULING: No time-out is charged in either (a) or (b), regardless of the amount of time
involved. The intent of the rule is to require an injured player to be removed without charging a
team with a 60-second time-out, regardless of how much time is consumed prior to removal.
A team may request a time-out if it wishes to keep the player (if able) in the game provided the
replacement interval for the substitution has not begun. (5-8-2a)

3.3.6 SITUATION B: A1 appears to be injured and an official properly halts play and the Team A
coach rushes onto the court to check A1. However, A1 is OK and seems ready to play within a
few seconds. RULING: A1 must be removed as the coach came onto the court. A1 may remain in
the game if the coach does not come on the court, the official does not beckon for the coach or
bench personnel to come onto the court, and A1 is ready to play immediately. If the coach or
other bench personnel have come onto the court or the official beckons the coach onto the
court, the player must be replaced. There is no set amount of time as to what is "imme-diately,"
but it should not involve more than a few seconds and it must be without the coach, athletic
trainer or doctor being beckoned and/or entering the court. The coach may also request a
time-out to keep the player in the game provided the replacement interval for the substitution
has not begun. (10-5-2)

3.3.6 SITUATION C: A1 is injured and bench personnel are beckoned onto the court. Once A1 has
been removed from the court, the official notifies Team A's head coach that a replacement is
required. The coach acknowledges the notification and the official then instructs the timer to
begin the 15-second replacement interval because a substitute is not made available
immediately. Team A's head coach then requests a time-out to keep A1 in the game. RULING:
The time-out request must be made when the official informs the coach that a replacement is
re-quired. Once the 15-second interval has begun and A1's replacement is pending, a time-out
shall not be granted. Once A1 is replaced by a substitute, Team A may request and be granted a
time-out, if desired. (2-12-5 NOTE, 3-3-6 NOTE 2, 5-8-3b)

3.3.6 SITUATION D: A5 is injured as the horn sounds to end the first quarter and the coach is
beckoned by an official on to the court to attend to A5. RULING:
The intermission should begin when A5 is removed from the court. No substitute is required if
A5 is ready to play to start the second quarter. When A5 is not ready, a substitute should report
before the warning horn or a time-out may be requested by Team A to keep A5 in the game.
(2-12-5 NOTE)

3.3.7 SITUATION A: B1 is directed to leave the game because of excessive blood on the uniform
jersey after Team B is given 20 seconds to rectify the situation.
Team B does not have any extra jerseys. (a) The coach asks one of the substitutes to give the
substitute's jersey to B1; or (b) Team A is able to find a jersey which B1 can wear although it is
not exactly the same color or style of the Team B jer-sey. The jersey will, however, clearly
identify B1 as a member of Team B and will not be confusing to either team or the officials.
RULING: Acceptable procedure in both (a) and (b). In both situations the scorer will make
necessary changes in the scorebook without penalty. COMMENT: The spirit and intent of the
rule is to do everything possible to allow the player to use a different jersey and return without
penalty. However, identical numbers shall not be allowed on the same team.
3.3.7 SITUATION B: A1 is bleeding and intentionally wipes blood on the arm of the both B4 and
B5. In (a) neither the referee or umpire observes the bleeding or the action of A1; (b) U1
observes that A1 is bleeding from a cut on her arm; (c) U1 observes B4 and B5 with blood on
their arms; or (d) U1 observes A1 bleeding, and observes Al's action of wiping blood on the
arms of B4 and B5. RULING: In (a) and (b), when observed, A1 is directed to Team A's bench and
is allowed 20 seconds to cover the wound and return to play. If the wound cannot be
appropriately covered and blood cleaned within 20 seconds, A1 must leave the game. (c) When
observed, B4 and B5 are directed to Team B's bench and allowed 20 seconds to appropriately
clean the blood from their arms before returning to the game. If the blood cannot be
appropriately removed in 20 seconds, they must leave the game.
(d) When observed, A1, B4, and B5 are directed to their team benches and allowed 20 seconds
to appropriately cover any wounds and clean the blood from their arms before returning to the
game. If the wound cannot be covered or the blood cannot be removed in 20 seconds from any
player, that/those players) will be removed from the game. A1 is charged with a technical foul
for an unsporting act. If in the judgment of U1 the actions of A1 were flagrant, A1 would be
disqualified from further competition. Any player or legally entering substitute may attempt the
two free throws, after which B will have the ball for a division line throw-in. In all situations, a
team may request a time-out to keep a player in the game.

3.3.7 SITUATION C: Officials discover blood on players A1 and B1 simultaneously and direct both
players to their bench areas and are allowed 20 seconds to appropriately cover and/or clean
blood from the skin or uniform. After the allotted 20 seconds neither player is ready to continue
play and are notified by the officials to leave the game, (a) Team A chooses to request a
time-out to keep A1 in the game, while Team B elects to substitute B6 for B1; (b) both teams
request a time-out to keep A1 and B1 in the game. RULING: In (a), B6 must enter the game prior
to the official granting the time-out for Team A. A1 must be ready to play by the end of the
time-out. B1 may not re-enter the game until the next opportunity to substitute after time has
run off the clock. In (b), both teams are charged a time-out and the time-outs run concurrently.
If one team requests a 60-second time-out and the other a 30, the duration shall be 60 seconds.
Both A1 and B1 must be ready to play by the end of the time-out.