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Old Wed Oct 30, 2024, 12:01pm
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C. Either coach or both coaches may call a timeout before the end of the replacement interval in order to keep their player in the game.

What do I win?

"A set of encyclopedias, a case of Turtle Wax, and a year's supply of Rice-A-Roni"?
See note 2 at the top of page 26 of the rules book.
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Old Wed Oct 30, 2024, 03:22pm
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See note 2 at the top of page 26 of the rules book.
3-3-7-Note- 2: A time-out granted to keep a player in the game must be requested before the replacement interval begins.

Too bad, I was really looking forward to that year's supply of Rice-A-Roni.
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Old Wed Oct 30, 2024, 03:49pm
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3-3-7-Note-2: A time-out granted to keep a player in the game must be requested before the replacement interval begins.
I'd like blue cheese dressing on this word salad.

I'm not sure what this means?

A1 has blood on his jersey. Team A head coach uses twenty seconds to try to remove the blood. After the twenty seconds ends he has failed to fully remove all the blood, and then he requests a thirty second timeout, is then successful in completely removing the blood just as the thirty second timeout ends, and then he expects to keep A1 in the game.

How does 3-3-7-Note-2 impact this situation, if it actually does have an impact?
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Old Wed Oct 30, 2024, 08:45pm
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A1 has blood on his jersey. Team A head coach uses twenty seconds to try to remove the blood. After the twenty seconds ends he has failed to fully remove all the blood, and then he requests a thirty second timeout, is then successful in completely removing the blood just as the thirty second timeout ends, and then he expects to keep A1 in the game.
A1 can remain in the game.

A has 20 seconds to remove the blood. At the end of the 20 seconds (if the blood is not removed) the coach must choose sub or TO. If he chooses sub, then the replacement interval begins. The coach now CAN NOT be granted a TO until the sub come in.

It's all the same as last year, except there's an additional 20-second period at the front for the coach to decide (and try to clean the blood).
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Old Thu Oct 31, 2024, 10:06am
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A has 20 seconds to remove the blood. At the end of the 20 seconds (if the blood is not removed) the coach must choose sub or TO. If he chooses sub, then the replacement interval begins. The coach now CAN NOT be granted a TO until the sub come in.
Great explanation. Thanks bob jenkins.
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Old Thu Oct 31, 2024, 11:29am
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The "official" answer is C (unless /until they change it). The "correct" answer is D.
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Old Thu Oct 31, 2024, 03:09pm
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3-3-7-Note-2: A time-out granted to keep a player in the game must be requested before the replacement interval begins.
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A has 20 seconds to remove the blood. At the end of the 20 seconds (if the blood is not removed) the coach must choose sub or TO. If he chooses sub, then the replacement interval begins. The coach now CAN NOT be granted a TO until the sub come in.
So A1 is injured badly and will definitely not be coming back into the game. As Team A head coach is pondering who to substitute into the game, he decides to request a thirty second timeout to discuss strategy with his players. Official does not grant the request until A6 reports and is beckoned for A1.

Do I have this right?

Is that the purpose and intent of 3-3-7-Note-2?

I still considier 3-3-7-Note-2 to be a word salad, best served with a little fresh pepper from a pepper grinder.
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Old Thu Oct 31, 2024, 03:35pm
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Do I have this right?
You are missing a step (or assuming it happened without including it). I will usually use the phrase "sub or TO?" to the coach. Even when it's obvious, as in your case, I will say something like "you'll have fifteen seconds to sub" and wait for him / her in case s/he wants the TO right away. If the coach says "sub" (or does not say "TO"), then I go to the table to start the clock. THAT"S WHEN the replacement interval starts and it's now too late for the coach to request a TO to keep the player in the game.

See cases 3.3.6 and 3.3.7 including those at the beginning of the case book and in the section on each rule (a total of eight or so cases).

I should add that this note is not new. Not sure how long it's been there, but at least for several years (probably longer).

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Old Mon Nov 04, 2024, 07:45pm
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And if coach A spends a TO to keep his/her player in the game and B1 can get cleaned up in time, do we allow both players back in without coach B being required to spend a TO?
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