Team Control Foul Signals

[BillyMac]

Official calls team control foul, let's say an illegal screen.

At spot of foul, signal fist in air, verbally announce color and number, team control foul signal, signal direction and throwin spot (perhaps verbally adding color of team now in possession).

Calling official heads to the reporting area, stops, verbally indicates color, verbally and by two handed signal indicates number, verbally and by signal indicates team control foul (hand behind head), and then indicates spot of throwin (perhaps verbally adding color of team now in possession).

At the spot of the foul (preliminary signals), or in the reporting area, are there any NFHS mechanics that encourage, or discourage, additional clarifying verbiage or signals: block, push, hold, "Illegal screen", etc.?

Does only the verbiage and signal of a team control foul (hand behind head) suffice?

Citations please (please copy and paste, I don't have access to a NFHS mechanics manual).

Same question for IAABO mechanics.

[JRutledge]

I do not know of any procedure that states what you say specifically at the reporting area. Most people say the signal, but I would suggest you say what actually happened. I might say illegal screen but if they do something else I would add that like, "Illegal wide screen." No one cares where I live about a descriptive term at the table when reporting. The more information the better.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The more information the better.

I agree.

However, in a recent IAABO video, we have been told to only give the team control foul signal, nothing else.

Supposedly a relatively new IAABO mechanic and signal sequence, I disagree with it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Does only the verbiage and signal of a team control foul suffice?

For over forty years our local guys, including me, on "train wreck" block charge plays, when choosing to call a charge, only come up with the "hand behind the head" player control foul signal, many often verbalizing "Charge".

We, here in my little corner of Connecticut, seem to forget that charge and player control foul are two completely different signals.

Don't know of any guys that do both signals when appropriate.

Well, as we say, when in my little corner of Connecticut ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

...in a recent IAABO video, we have been told to only give the team control foul signal, nothing else. Supposedly a relatively new IAABO mechanic and signal sequence, I disagree with it.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The more information the better.

My preliminary (spot of foul) is usually team control foul signal (hand behind head) and verbiage, and then verbalizing "illegal screen".

Reporting to table, team control foul signal (hand behind head) and verbiage, and "illegal screen" verbiage, often add a block, push, or hold signal, maybe with appropriate verbiage with the given signal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I agree.

However, in a recent IAABO video, we have been told to only give the team control foul signal, nothing else.

Supposedly a relatively new IAABO mechanic and signal sequence, I disagree with it.

I do not think it is a hard fast rule in my state, but there is nothing that I am aware of that eliminates what we did before and giving the kind of foul as we always were supposed to. The only difference is the actual signal for TC foul.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

For over forty years our local guys, including me, on "train wreck" block charge plays, when choosing to call a charge, only come up with the "hand behind the head" player control foul signal, many often verbalizing "Charge".

For some reason (maybe a constructive criticism from a more experienced official), back when I was a young official, I started to always verbalize "Player Control" (not "Charge") on "train wreck" block charge plays at the site of foul (preliminary signal) and while reporting.

Made sense to me use a matching signal (hand behind the head) and verbiage.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

In The Ancient Days (Which was NBC Days before the NHFS and NCAA Men's Committees.) the correct Signaling Mechanic at the Table was to give both the PCF Signal followed by the Type of Foul Signal. Notice that I only mentioned PCFs and not TCFs because the Signaling Mechanic was for PCFs only not TCFs.

Personal NOTE: Even after the Type of Foul Signal requirement was removed for the Signaling Mechanic, I continued to use if the PCF was not a Charging Foul, e.g., Blocking or Holding (swim stroke).

When the NFHS added (ten years or so ago) a TCF Signal for non-PCF TCFs I also included the Type of Foul Signal.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Thanks to Mike Goodwin: