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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by Chuck Lewis
Starting the game with free throws and subs entering before actual play has begun... How does this affect the starting lineup that's suppose to be submitted 10 minutes prior to the start of the game game?
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Effectively, the infraction which drew the technical foul started the game. Once it has begun, substitutions are allowed. Only caveat, whoever is removed has to wait until the clock runs before they're allowed to reenter.
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Strictly speaking, this is not correct. It may be a useful simplification though. The correct understanding of this situation is somewhat more complicated.
First, the game begins when the ball first becomes live.
This means that the pregame dunk by A1 did not start the game. The game starts when the ball is placed at the disposal of the free thrower for the offended team. Allowing B2 to shoot the first technical foul free throw is considered a change in the starting line-up for Team B, not a substitution during the game. It is permissible and not penalized even if it takes place less than 10 minutes prior to the start of the game only because 3-2-2a makes a specific exception for it.
Therefore, to administer this situation precisely, the officials should call the T at the time of the dunk, notify both coaches, the player charged with the T, and the scorer, then after completing the remaining pre-game warm-ups and any introductions, national anthem, etc., they should bring the ten designated starters out onto the floor and ask the coach or captain of Team B who will shoot. If he selects one of the five starters, fine. If he wants to have a non-designated starter shoot, allow it, and simply instruct the scorer to change the starting line-up.
At the time that the ball is given to the free thrower for the first shot, the ten players on the court are considered to have started the game, and all other player moves are considered regular substitutions, subject to normal substitution rules. So both teams can substitute during the dead ball after the first shot or after the second shot subject to player re-entry prohibitions.
Secondly, I believe that the player who was taken out of the starting line-up can enter the game as a substitute after the technical foul free throws are attempted, but before any time has run off the clock, since he actually has never been in the game yet.
For example:
Let's say that B6 was swapped for designated starter B1 and attempted the first shot, then B7 came in for B2 and attempted the second free throw. Before the ball is given to a player of Team B for the division line throw-in (since there will not be a jump ball to start the game) the coach of Team B now wants B1, B2, and B8 to enter. If they all had properly reported to the scorer prior to the dead ball following the second free throw attempt, I say that B1 and B8 can enter since there are no restrictions upon them as neither has yet participated in the game (even though B1 was originally designated as a starter), but B2 must wait until the next opportunity after the clock has properly started, since he started the game and then was replaced.
Also, any substitutions that Team A wishes to make at this time should also be permitted. Then set the initial direction of the AP arrow to Team A's basket when the ball is placed at the disposal of a player from Team B for the division line throw-in opposite the table.
If anyone can find a rule of casebook play which contradicts any of this, please let me know.
[Edited by Nevadaref on Oct 30th, 2003 at 06:36 AM]
Mon Oct 27, 2003, 12:26pm
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