Travel

[Scrapper1]

When starting a dribble, the ball must be released from the hand before the pivot foot is lifted.

And, in fact, I believe this is the only play in which it's a travel to lift the pivot foot. In all other cases, it's not a violation until the pivot returns to the floor. (I think. . .)

Well, there are other traveling violations that don't depend on moving the pivot foot (e.g., attempting to get up from the floor). But hopefully, you get what I mean.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I believe this is the only play in which it's a travel to lift the pivot foot. In all other cases, it's not a violation until the pivot returns to the floor.

We've discussed and debated this many times here on the Forum over (at least) the past seventeen years.

By a strict literal reading of the relevant rules and definitions, Scrapper1 may be correct.

However, in a real game situation, I'm not gong to attempt to "read a player's mind" that he wanted to and intended to start a dribble.

I'll wait to see what happens next.

If the ball is next touched by a teammate, it was a bounce pass.

Or, was it?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

... there are other traveling violations that don't depend on moving the pivot foot (e.g., attempting to get up from the floor).

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A player must be holding the ball (with rare exception) in order to travel.

4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating? RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or request a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

... there are other traveling violations that don't depend on moving the pivot foot (e.g., attempting to get up from the floor).

4-44-5: Traveling is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball. The limits on foot movements are as follows: A player holding the ball:
a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot.
b. After gaining control while on the floor and touching with other than hand or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand.