Throw-in

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Team A has an End-line throw-in in their back-court. A1 is standing on the table side of the 'painted area' and the Trail official is standing on the other side of the 'painted area.'
Should the official rotate to the same side as A1 OR is it allowable, in NFHS, for the Trail official to not rotate and bounce the ball across the 'painted area' to A1?

Hey, Zooch:

According to the 2021-23 Officials Manual, 5.2.2.A.3 "In the backcourt, the new Trail is administering official. The trail official may need to change sides of the court depending on the throw-in spot," so I would suggest there is no provision for the new Trail to bounce the ball across the FTLE, but that doesn't mean I've never done it.

However, I can safely tell you, depending on who my partner(s) is (are), I might stand to the inside of the thrower and hand the ball to him/her. When my partner(s) see me underneath the basket, they'll know which side of the court which I will be moving from backcourt to frontcourt.

It's certainly easier to get newer officials to the right spot(s) before the throw-in starts rather than the getting the old, curmudgeonly veterans to do what they actually know what they're supposed to do (which is C becomes new Lead and L becomes new Center).

[SC Official]

NFHS you are not supposed to bounce the ball across the paint ever. That doesn’t mean that it never happens or that it makes any sense, just what the manual says.

NCAA-M we can bounce the ball across if there is no pressure but honestly most guys I work with don’t. We usually either force a switch or bring the thrower over.

NCAA-W and NBA always bounce across and never force a switch.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

NFHS you are not supposed to bounce the ball across the paint ever. That doesn’t mean that it never happens or that it makes any sense, just what the manual says.

NCAA-M we can bounce the ball across if there is no pressure but honestly most guys I work with don’t. We usually either force a switch or bring the thrower over.

NCAA-W and NBA always bounce across and never force a switch.

I am going to ask, where does it say that?

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am going to ask, where does it say that?

Peace

It was introduced 2 or 3 seasons ago. I'd have to dig out my old manuals.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

It was introduced 2 or 3 seasons ago. I'd have to dig out my old manuals.

It was? Where? You know there are references to these things right?

I am looking at the book right now and not seeing anything that advocates or allows you to bounce the ball across the lane and Trail for any reason. As a matter of fact, they stopped allowing mechanically bouncing the ball several years ago.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It was? Where? You know there are references to these things right?

Yes, I think you know that I know there references for these things. LOL

But I can't find my NCAA Officials' Manual at the moment. However, I'm 99% sure this was a change that was implemented a few years ago.

And don't forgot that I just found a reference for the ball needing to be released on a try in order to reset the shot clock, even though nobody else remembered it. So I'll find it. Oh yes. I will find it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Yes, I think you know that I know there references for these things. LOL

But I can't find my NCAA Officials' Manual at the moment. However, I'm 99% sure this was a change that was implemented a few years ago.

And don't forget that I just found a reference for the ball needing to be released on a try in order to reset the shot clock, even though nobody else remembered it. So I'll find it. Oh yes. I will find it.

I know you do and should, but do not know where I can find that information about bouncing the ball across the lane. That has never been stated at any camp or summer training that I am aware of. Not bragging, but the NCAA D3 Coordinator talked about things over the past few years and wanted people to follow them as he and JD apparently were a part of drawing them up.

I am just asking because I looked up the throw-in procedures and there was no such reference. Truly not trying to be combative about it, just do not see any such reference in the CCA book. I know I could miss something, it happens. But I even remember a clinician getting on a camper for doing just that. Said it looked lazy if I recall.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

NFHS you are not supposed to bounce the ball across the paint ever. That doesn’t mean that it never happens or that it makes any sense, just what the manual says.

Same thing with IAABO mechanics. I've never done it in an interscholastic game assigned by my local IAABO board assigner.

That being said, I'd be lying if I said that I never did it in a Catholic middle school game, recreation, travel, AAU, etc.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Every single pregame I have includes: Put the ball in play where it goes out of bounds, or where the foul, or the violation, occurs. If the lead has to move across the lane to administer a throwin on the opposite free throw lane line extended, I don't mind moving across the basket line as the trail. And as the lead, I will pick the throwin spot where, by rule, it's supposed to be, even if it means sending my trail partner across the basket line. That's for IAABO board commissioner assigned interscholastic games.

Now back when I was working recreation, travel, etc., with double and triple headers, it was generally deemed acceptable as the lead to bounce the ball across the lane to administer throwins, thus avoiding a need for the trail to move across the basket line. Sometimes the lead "cheated" by inbounding on the "wrong" side of the lane. Keeps the game moving. Same thing for the twenty years I worked a Catholic middle school league double headers where the otherwise strict assigner allowed us to use "relaxed" mechanics.