Dead Ball Contact

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Valley Man

10-4-7 "Intentionally or flagrantly contacting an opponent when the ball is dead and such contact is not a personal foul."

It's the and such contact is not a personal foul language that fouls everything up.

The "such contact is not a personal foul" means that it's not an airborne shooter returning to the floor after the ball passes through the basket. That's the only way to have a dead ball personal foul.

we should only penalize dead ball contact that rises to the level of an Intentional or Flagrant foul

I think that's correct.

In that case, the hard contact described originally has to be Flagrant (because the definition of Intentional foul states that excessive contact must be while the ball is live.)

I think that's incorrect. Excessive contact does not have to be during a live ball to be considered an Intentional Foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The "such contact is not a personal foul" means that it's not an airborne shooter returning to the floor after the ball passes through the basket. That's the only way to have a dead ball personal foul.

While the other ways are exceedingly improbable, that isn't the only way. The ball can become dead while the shooter is airborne in ways other than passing through the basket.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While the other ways are exceedingly improbable, that isn't the only way. The ball can become dead while the shooter is airborne in ways other than passing through the basket.

Not arguing, just asking. Can you give me another example of when you would call a dead ball personal foul? I honestly can't think of one.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Not arguing, just asking. Can you give me another example of when you would call a dead ball personal foul? I honestly can't think of one.

There cannot be one. All fouls are either in one category or the other. Personal fouls or Technical fouls. They cannot be both.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There cannot be one. All fouls are either in one category or the other. Personal fouls or Technical fouls. They cannot be both.

Peace

Well, I know that there's ONE way to have a dead ball personal foul. I think Camron is saying that there are other ways, as well.

My way is for a player to jump and dunk the ball (this creates the dead ball, but the player is still an airborne shooter), then crash into a legal defender before returning to the floor. This is a player control foul, NOT a dead ball technical.

I can't think of another way to have a personal foul during a dead ball. So I'm curious if Camron knows of one.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Well, I know that there's ONE way to have a dead ball personal foul. I think Camron is saying that there are other ways, as well.



My way is for a player to jump and dunk the ball (this creates the dead ball, but the player is still an airborne shooter), then crash into a legal defender before returning to the floor. This is a player control foul, NOT a dead ball technical.



I can't think of another way to have a personal foul during a dead ball. So I'm curious if Camron knows of one.

Airborne shooter after a GT/BI has been committed.

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[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Airborne shooter after a GT/BI has been committed.

Oooo, that's a good one. But that shooter is gonna have to have some amazing hang time!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Airborne shooter after a GT/BI has been committed.

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Or the offense swings elbows while the shooter is in the air.

Or, any (?) other violation (except a FT violation)