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Old Tue Nov 01, 2022, 04:20pm
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But I would still like to know why it makes a difference to JRutledge if the test taker is a varsity official, or a middle school official, or somebody in between?

Should varsity officials care more about their exam results than middle school officials?

Should varsity officials care more about learning rules than middle school officials?
You missed the point. If you do not get this question right, is it going to influence your assignments at any level? In other words, if you get a 100% vs a 98% is this going to change anything? If it does that would make some sense. But you always going around telling us you only work Middle school anymore. You said that when we were talking about the shot clock and the reasons for it. So if your life is not going to change as a result, then why would you not just contact the IAABO folks in your area and then get clarification from them. No one here that is not there is going to ultimately answer the debate in your head. A normal landing is just that. If someone, where you live, is so worried about that because it was on the test, they really are doing the profession a disservice.

I do not give a shit about middle school games. It is a place for the kids to learn the game, the result will be forgotten in the spring. I cannot tell you what games we won. Honestly, even varsity ball has so much of my attention because as time goes on you forget those situations too. But at least when you do something like win a conference in high school, there is likely a banner or trophy somewhere that everyone remembers. Heck, when I did that level I was trying not to call a travel every trip up the court. Not worry about the idiosyncracies of something I will never see at that level hardly. Normal landing is one foot after the other when in the air. If it is that complicated beyond that, way too much thinking.

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Old Tue Nov 01, 2022, 05:27pm
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If you do not get this question right, is it going to influence your assignments at any level? In other words, if you get a 100% vs a 98% is this going to change anything? ... why would you not just contact the IAABO folks in your area and then get clarification from them.
No.

It's about self confidence and pride, giving 100% to try to be a good rules guy. Study. Memorize. Understand. Incorporate into my game. Teach the young'un partners that I officiate with in my middle school games

I view the Forum as an expansion of my local study group.

My local IAABO board will not release answers until November 18, 2022. After that, if I feel I don't understand an interpretation, I can contact my local interpreter, who always will answers my calls.

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A normal landing is just that. Normal landing is one foot after the other when in the air.
Agree, but as I said, some in my study group didn't want to ignore the word "hesitate", thinking that IAABO was trying to trick them (some even posing as flamingos), as IAABO has been known to do in the past.
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Old Wed Nov 02, 2022, 08:55am
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The point is we do not need all your head games in this or space the way you do them. If you are really struggling with the rule, contact the people that made the test. See what they think and what they were trying to accomplish by asking it. The reason I said all the other stuff is because I am aware of officials that have to get a certain score or they lose assignments or do not get the necessary points. If that is not the case, you're going over and over some issues that you seem to be the only one having is not helping everyone. This forum should be to help everyone, not a single person's neurotic concerns on every possible issue. So if this was the question you were so afraid of missing because it put you under a certain level to get further assignments, I would get that, but even then you are going about wrong for the audience that is here or remains here. I have my concerns with all kinds of things but you will never see me hash it out here without talking to people in my backyard. I stand by what I said. And I did not need pictures, a reference to some song you never heard of, or a response to myself to make such a point.

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Old Wed Nov 02, 2022, 10:10am
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... contact the people that made the test. See what they think and what they were trying to accomplish by asking it.
As I've already stated, my local IAABO board will not release answers until November 18, 2022 at the earliest. After that, if I feel I don't understand an interpretation, I can contact my local interpreter, who always will answers my calls.

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I am aware of officials that have to get a certain score or they lose assignments or do not get the necessary points.
I get it. Used to be the same way here. Level of games (varsity or subvarsity). Number of assignments.

No more. With such high stakes, there was way too much exam cheating going on. There were answer sheets floating around that were not available to everybody, just to certain "connected" cliques.
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Old Thu Nov 03, 2022, 11:13am
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You just posted 2 other things and no one answered or commented. I guess you do not see this as an issue.

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Old Thu Nov 03, 2022, 12:08pm
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You just posted 2 other things and no one answered or commented. I guess you do not see this as an issue.
"Normal landing"? I no longer see it as an issue. I agreed with my friend at last week's study group, ignore the word "hesitates". It's a "normal landing". I feel confident in my answer. Nothing from the Forum has changed my mind.

Citation from IAABO helped me with the answer to the question about extra players on the court. I feel confident in my answer, team technical. Still wonder how it could be or should be answered without the helpful citation given by IAABO (not the NFHS).

Thanks to bob jenkins' post ("timeout must be requested for the specific purpose"), I'm confident in my answer to the "error discovered during a timeout" question.

Now I'm down to two questions, both regarding the words "basket/ring" and "backboard".

I'm leaning certain ways on both, but I'm still not 100% confident in my answers and not quite ready to submit my answers to those.

Feel free to offer an opinion.
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Old Wed Nov 02, 2022, 10:07am
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... if you get a 100% vs a 98% is this going to change anything?
I am very goal oriented, so it makes a difference to me, it's about pride in my work.

While our exam procedures have changed many times over my forty-plus years, with various consequences regarding number and level of games, the current procedure no longer has any impact on either number or level of games assigned (except zero games).

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Pass the exam (80% or better)? Get game assignments. Fail the exam? Attend a remedial rules and mechanics class and then get game assignments. Fail the exam and not attend a remedial rules and mechanics class? No game assignments for the season.
That being said, with me being very goal oriented, and with the current exam procedures that we have in place, I find it unfathomable that I, a forty-plus year veteran, who many on by local board consider to be a pretty good "rules guy" (my email box is full every morning with questions from colleagues about the exam) can't get a perfect score on an open book exam, an exam that I have three weeks to work on, an exam that we are strongly encouraged to work on with colleagues (study groups are organized and set up by our local board), and an exam with a cover sheet distributed at these study groups that gives us rule citations for every single question (but no answers).

And we can take the exam up to three times to pass (we're just given a total score each time, we are not given the questions we got wrong).

How many Forum members have it so easy on such exams? With such few consequences for a "bad" score?

Plus, I'm a retired empty-nester with all the time in the world to check and double check my answers. I even double check the easy questions.

And yet, I get a few questions wrong every year. It's embarrassing considering the conditions under which I take the exam.

If I can't have a good understanding of the rules under these extremely simple exam conditions, how can I confidently walk into a real gym and officiate a real game under much more adverse conditions?

Especially when something "weird" happens?

For me, this exam is all about pride and self confidence. With my arthritic foot, it's all I have left. Pride and self confidence (and experience).
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