Delay Throwin Or Free Throw ...

[BillyMac]

Various rulebook and casebook citations make it abundantly clear how to handle delay situations during a throwin or a free throw after a timeout or intermission.

4-38: The resumption-of-play procedure is used to prevent delay in putting the ball in play when a throw-in team does not make a thrower available or following a time-out or intermission (unless either team is not on the court to start the second half) as in 7-5-1 and 8-1-2. The procedure results in a violation instead of a technical foul for initial delay in specific situations.

7-5-1: When a team does not make a thrower available, after a timeout (as in 7-4-4) or the intermission between any quarter (as in 6-2-3), the resumption-of-play procedure is used to prevent delay. The administering official will sound the whistle to indicate play will resume. In each situation:
a. The ball must be put in play if Team A is ready or it must be placed on the floor.
b. The throw-in count must begin and if a violation occurs, the procedure will be repeated for Team B.
c. Following a violation by one team only, if that team continues to delay when authorized to make a throw-in, it is a technical foul.
d. Following a violation by both teams, any further delay by either team is a technical foul.

8-1-2: Following a time-out or intermission, the resumption-of-play procedure may be used to prevent delay. The administering official will sound the whistle to indicate play will resume. The ball must be placed at the disposal of the thrower or placed on the floor at the free-throw line and the count must begin. Either or both teams may be charged with a violation. Following a violation by one or both teams, if the offending team(s) continues to delay, a team technical foul must be ruled.

There is a single caseplay that makes it abundantly clear how to handle a delay situation during a very specific free throw shooter delay not after a timeout or intermission.

10.4.5 SITUATION: The ruling official has reported the foul and has given directions to players along the lane. The official is ready to put the ball at free thrower A1’s disposal, but A1 is at the sideline talking to the coach. RULING: A technical foul for delay is charged to A1. No warning is authorized in this situation. (10-3-5c)

What rulebook or casebook citations tell us how to handle other (not 10.4.5) delay situations during a throwin or a free throw not after a timeout or intermission where we simply place the ball on the floor (disposal), or give it to the team who is not delaying?

It appears that we sometimes charge an immediate technical foul (10.4.5), but other times we place the ball on the floor (disposal), or give it to the team who is not delaying.

I'm interested in specific instructions for those "other times".

[BillyMac]

Team Technical 10-2-1-B: Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts: Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play.

For situations not after a timeout or an intermission, what citations instruct officials to sometimes charge an immediate technical foul (10.4.5) and at other times to place the ball on the floor (disposal) or give it to the team who is not delaying?

[BillyMac]

Looking for citations, I've searched the NFHS rulebook, the NFHS casebook, Forum Annual Interpretation Archives, and Forum Search and came out with nothing.

Finally, in desperation, I tried a search on the Google and came up with these three Forum posts:

BillyMac October 2008
Resumption Of Play Reminder ...
Just a reminder: A few years ago the Resumption of Play procedure, which used to only be used after time outs and intermissions, was changed so that it can also be used during any throwin.

BillyMac November 2008
Sometimes A Technical Foul ...
Remember, the Resumption of Play procedure is only used for a free throw after a timeout, or intermission. If the free throw is not after a timeout, or intermission, and the team delays, it's a technical foul.
The Resumption of Play procedure can be used for any throwin, not just a throwin after a timeout, or intermission.

Nevadaref November 2008
9.2.9 SITUATION: Following a violation, the official has properly signaled and
awarded a throw-in to Team A at a designated spot. No Team A player comes to
the spot even though the official has allowed ample time for them to respond. The
official then places the ball on the floor and begins the five-second count. (a) Both
A1 and A2 step out of bounds and A1 picks up the ball; or (b) both A1 and A2
step out of bounds and A1 picks up the ball and hands it to A2. RULING: In (a),
A2 must immediately return inbounds. In (b), it is a throw-in violation when A1
hands the ball to A2. (9-2-12)

What was this "change" I was talking about?

I wish that I had done a better job at posting citations (evidence).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Thanks for pointing this out, but it won't be recognized unless you respond to your own post with four of the following three items:

1) Off topic pictures and or song lyrics
2) Historical references to different and only tangentially related rules
3) Lengthy articles that repeatedly reiterate the same material over and over again along with as much other material as can be included

I'm not sure these guidelines are written anywhere; I've just gleaned them by following recent posts.

We are getting close.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We are getting close.

Close to an answer?

Give it your best shot.

Please.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Close to an answer?

Give it your best shot.

Please.

I am going to be honest with you. I do not really know what you are asking. You are referencing all this stuff and not sure what the confusion is. This is kind of the issue many have with you sometimes. You often seem to not have a direct point or a reason why you are asking the specific question.

Why don't you just ask a question and let people answer what they know or can reference instead of posting information and then posting more information and getting the actual question lost in the material? Are you confused of something in the rule or are you asking to validate your position? Your post often are more confusing than some of the questions they ask on rules tests.

Peace