Goaltending ???

[tnolan]

This would be a good FPF play to submit.

This appears to be a good block, so I would say call incorrect.
GT and BI calls can be very close during live play.
We need 110% knowledge that it is or isn't.

Feel like the coach's actions should've been addressed as well...now that could've made the end of the game really interesting.

[Raymond]

Two-man crew, nobody can complain about a goaltending call on a fast break.

I don't care about any school's mascot or earthquakes in a certain state.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tnolan

We need 110% knowledge that it is or isn't.

Don't really need 100% knowledge that it isn't (that would just be a bonus).

We only need 100% knowledge that it is, if not, it isn't.

[JRutledge]

Slowed this down and it was not a GT at all. It was on its way up and could make a case the ball is never above the rim.

The only question I have is did the lead make this call? Other than that, this is 2 man, shame on the schools for allowing that to happen and then complain about a tough call like that one.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Also as I watch this video. Why is the coach on the floor in both cases and it seems like no one sends him back? He is out there for a long time. You on the court like that, if you do not immediately go back (and the call is in your favor), there might be a T coming. Don't care the situation, get off the damn court. I hope there was at the very least a bench warning.

And finally, get off the damn court. No way in hell I am still on the court and the game is clearly over. Not taking my time. They do not give out candy after the game.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Why is the coach on the floor ... and it seems like no one sends him back?

Yes, the Red coach does take a long (dead ball) walk all the way out to the lane to complain to the lead (who had his fist up for a Red foul) about the lack of a goaltending call from the lead. Wrong official to complain to, ignorant coach obviously doesn't know that it's usually the trail that makes such a call.

He's out there for about five seconds until he (literally) backs up toward his bench. Not sure if he was sent back, both officials are out of the frame, but the way he backs up after the second official enters the conversation hints to me that he was either warned to get back, or heard some "good news". Agree with JRutledge, not a good look. Worthy of a written warning? Sure. Worthy of a technical foul at this juncture in the game? Not so sure.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And finally, get off the damn court. No way in hell I am still on the court and the game is clearly over. Not taking my time ...

Yes, the slow walk out of the gym gave the White coach a chance to take post-game "pot shots" at both officials. He should have made his points and finished his complaining when he had his chance with the trail at the table answering his questions. White coach got his explanation there, trail gave him plenty of time for a discussion, coach should have moved on, he didn't. In a win or go home game, it's tough to go home. I guess he needed some type of catharsis. Slow walking officials gave him that chance, so he took it.

[ilyazhito]

This is goaltending. The ball is on its way down with a chance to enter the basket in flight. It would help if the trail gives an emphatic "Score the goal" signal and says "Score the goal!" so everyone can hear him. As Lead, I would keep the coach for Red off the floor. If he charges or does anything aggressive towards an official, he gets a technical foul. Same thing for the White coach.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is really close, but it is on the way down.

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

This is goaltending. The ball is on its way down with a chance to enter the basket in flight.

Did the ball come off the backboard, or was it a direct shot?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The only question I have is did the lead make this call?

Lead, not hearing his partner's whistle for the goaltending violation, called a foul (fist signal) on Red #1 after White #4 snagged the rebound off the missed shot. Ball was already dead when he made the (non-intentional) foul call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Lead, not hearing his partner's whistle for the goaltending violation, called a foul (fist signal) on Red #1 after White #4 snagged the rebound off the missed shot. Ball was already dead when he made the (non-intentional) foul call.

Well, that makes a little more sense, but I hate the body language of the trail if he is calling such a big play. Not about if he is right or not, standing back at the division line and almost never going to the table in the moment gives doubt to the call. Yes even in 2 person.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... I hate the body language of the trail if he is calling such a big play.

Agree. Normally one would like this goaltending call to be emphatically made, "Count the basket", by the trail. I think that he was temporally put off by the lead's whistle, and didn't want to count the basket until he checked with his partner (travel, etc.).

By watching the Red team and their fans, even when the trail makes his decision, he doesn't announce it until he gets to the table, and it was never an emphatic signal.

Once the trail made his decision, I would have liked him to take a step away from his partner to an open area on the court and emphatically "slam down" the two points, "Count the basket".

And only then move toward the table to answer any polite questions from the White coach.

Agree with JRutledge, the trail's hesitancy and lack of a emphatic signal made his call look weak.