Game Film Access

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is there a cost to the officials, the official's association, or the association of associations?

Nope, it is an expense from IACO that gives accounts to the LOA. And all we have to do is be a member of a particular organization and contact the HUDL administrator.

Similar to college where being a member allows you the same kind of access.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Is there a cost to the officials, the official's association, or the association of associations?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Nope, it is an expense from IACO that gives accounts to the LOA ...

You guys seem to be way ahead of the curve (compared to Connecticut).

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... this is not automatic, we have to ask for the video and some coaches either do not have video or they do not provide the video for different reasons.

Not a problem. If I had a full time day job, and was raising a family, I wouldn't have time to watch all my games, especially during the basketball season.

Had the same problem when I was coaching middle school basketball. We had an amazing audio visual coordinator who was willing to get all of our home games videotaped.

Videotape was an amazing educational tool, however, it came down to choosing videotape sessions, or on-court practice (with limited access to the gym, only weekday afternoons, no night (town activities), no weekends (town activities).

On-court practice was a higher priority. Only time for a few videotape sessions each season.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not a problem. If I had a full time day job, and was raising a family, I wouldn't have time to watch all my games, especially during the basketball season.

You spend a lot of time on this site, I doubt that is the case. Also watching video is not always about just watching an entire game. You can look for the plays you had difficult calls or contested calls and look to see what you do. High school games are not that long either. Like watching a sitcom. Either way if you spend the time on this site you do, you could watch video of a game. And there are games we do not get sometimes.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You spend a lot of time on this site, I doubt that is the case.

I would absolutely take advantage of all video today. Fully retired from my day job. Single with adult children out of the house (all out of town/state). Just me, the cat, my backyard chickens, and church.

No way I would have time while teaching, coaching, part-time bartender, officiating (including recreation, travel, etc.), graduate school, wife, parents, in-laws, raising three kids, all their sports/activities, etc.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No way I would have time while teaching, coaching, part-time bartender, officiating (including recreation, travel, etc.), graduate school, wife, parents, in-laws, raising three kids, all their sports/activities, etc.

One day, while frantically rushing out school to attend one of my kids many high school games (three kids, three seasons), I had a chat with another teacher, older than me, who had kids who also played high school sports.

He said, "Someday you are going to miss all of this".

He was 100% correct.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... raising three kids, all their sports/activities, etc.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

He said, "Someday you are going to miss all of this".

Don't miss dance. Not one bit. Not for one second. Dance was the absolute worst. Expensive dance lessons. Expensive dance shoes and apparel. Expensive recital costumes. Expensive recital tickets. Expensive recital flowers. Long boring recitals (of course, my daughters weren't boring, they danced like Ginger Rogers, just the other kids were boring).

One day, my daughter told me that she didn't want to dance anymore, and that she wanted to play basketball instead. I almost couldn't hide my joy. Took her down to town hall and signed her up for recreation basketball. Cost me twenty bucks for the entire season.

Recreation. Travel. Middle school. High school. AAU (tournament in Spain). Played until her senior year, and then joined her friends in drama club. The dance lessons finally paid off. Best high school version of Les Misérables ever. Daughter deserved a Tony Award for a breath taking performance as an unnamed French peasant woman (holding kindling) in the chorus. She was robbed.

[tnolan]

@JRut you've exceeded the use of 'associations' for this month.

This sounds like what should or could be done here, but is not. The automatic portion may get a bit "spammy" after a while and if you're working 5-6 games a week, you might not be able to catch up...and understandably, I don't need to break down every game. Sometimes there's just nothing to clip.
This is why I think a better option would be a datastore of all the games, accessible to whomever wants them, but only admins and the specific crew.

I would definitely entertain the idea of being the administrator of the video share if it came down to that. Again, I think getting the schools on board is probably the hardest part. After that, if 10 out of 100 officials actually use and access the video...then that is what it is.

@JRut I could be misinterpreting, but it sounds like you're jumping through a lot of hoops and red tape to get film. So does the IACO have access to all of this film for their "global" training, and then as a benefit provide it to you upon request?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We have an association of associations ...

Originally Posted by tnolan

... JRut you've exceeded the use of 'associations' for this month ...

I know that it's early in the month, but this is my nomination for Post O' The Month.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tnolan

@JRut you've exceeded the use of 'associations' for this month.

I belong to 5 local officials' associations. Three in Illinois and 2 in Indiana. Everyone one of them has some different procedures and standards. We do not have a "chapter" that I hear people use that does everything from assigning to getting paid. We are independent contractors here (by law).

Originally Posted by tnolan

This sounds like what should or could be done here, but is not. The automatic portion may get a bit "spammy" after a while and if you're working 5-6 games a week, you might not be able to catch up...and understandably, I don't need to break down every game. Sometimes there's just nothing to clip.
This is why I think a better option would be a datastore of all the games, accessible to whomever wants them, but only admins and the specific crew.

No need to break down every game in detail. Again I watch videos for situations that I want to review. Often I just want to see body language or situations like the positioning of the crew when making a particular call. The video is for you individually and you do with that video what you wish. But I personally break down a lot of my games because there are things I want to see for myself and improve on for the next game.

I would definitely entertain the idea of being the administrator of the video share if it came down to that. Again, I think getting the schools on board is probably the hardest part. After that, if 10 out of 100 officials actually use and access the video...then that is what it is.[/QUOTE]

It was hard at first to get schools on the basketball side to buy in to sharing videos with the officials. Now it is common and I get most videos requested.

Originally Posted by tnolan

@JRut I could be misinterpreting, but it sounds like you're jumping through a lot of hoops and red tape to get film. So does the IACO have access to all of this film for their "global" training, and then as a benefit provide it to you upon request?

Not any hoops at all. An email to the association contact (different groups have different contact people) and they send them to you directly when the video is sent to them. All I have to do is give the date, schools, and the gender and I get them often within 24 of the request and sometimes less than a few hours. I personally never have to contact the school at all. Now, this is Illinois, a different process in Indiana and harder to get video. But some schools have streaming video from YouTube or some other site and send a copy of the game rather easily.

I am sure they could have access, but no one is going through every game to find things in games. Usually, if someone hears about a situation that might be controversial or a coach reaches out to the assignor and that assignor is aware of the situation at all and might clip up some plays and present them to a group or the crew. But most people are not that technologically savvy and rarely does any game become used unless a person knows how to use video on their own.

Getting the individual games is hardly ever a problem anymore. Football was almost never a problem because video has been a common tool for years to football coaches. Basketball it took coaches some time to get over the paranoia of how it would be used and they did not understand that officials used the video to get better.

Peace

[Jfpdi]

LocalLive is a service that started in the NY area. It has expanded to other states. The schools have the equipment installed and then the games are streamed live. Some schools require a password to see replays of games. If You click on a state on the map that is dark black it will list the schools using the service first and then all the other schools in the state. https://events.locallive.tv/states/NY

[tnolan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The video is for you individually and you do with that video what you wish. But I personally break down a lot of my games because there are things I want to see for myself and improve on for the next game.

I am sure they could have access, but no one is going through every game to find things in games. Usually, if someone hears about a situation that might be controversial or a coach reaches out to the assignor and that assignor is aware of the situation at all and might clip up some plays and present them to a group or the crew. But most people are not that technologically savvy and rarely does any game become used unless a person knows how to use video on their own.

Peace

50% of reason is exactly that. I'd like it to be easier for myself, and clip my games when needed. I enjoy watching and breaking down film, and I while I can normally find the time to do so...I also feel like if there was a specific system in place, it would increase the want/need.
The other 50% is for everyone else. Chapter and district improvement, et al. Getting clips and going over them in meetings is great, but sometimes I feel like there's something to be said about reviewing plays and cases from your own games and area.

That's the other hurdle is the guy/gal behind the scenes of all the video isn't going to have the time to break down 10+ games a night, every night. And I understand that. Again, it's much more about having a working system in place (that can stay in place) so it can be easily utilized when needed, as needed, as often as needed.