Huddle with coach during free throw?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... slowly mosey (is there any other way to mosey?)

[BillyMac]

Not exactly the same, but similar in intent:

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

"Everybody get behind the division line”, often said by an official before free throws for a technical foul, or an intentional foul, is also not rule based. According to the rule, the nine non-shooters shall remain behind the free throw line extended, and behind the three point arc, and do not have to stay behind the division line. In some cases, this may allow players to legally converse with their coaches.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not exactly the same, but similar in intent:



Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game



"Everybody get behind the division line”, often said by an official before free throws for a technical foul, or an intentional foul, is also not rule based. According to the rule, the nine non-shooters shall remain behind the free throw line extended, and behind the three point arc, and do not have to stay behind the division line. In some cases, this may allow players to legally converse with their coaches.

Not saying it's the incorrect application, but what is your source for the bolded.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... this may allow players to legally converse with their coaches.

Originally Posted by Raymond

Not saying it's the incorrect application, but what is your source for the bolded.

If it's not illegal, it's legal.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The teams can even do that any time during the game, it would not be advised outside of FTs, however.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If it's not illegal, it's legal.

I thought you had a specific citation since you said "according to the rules" earlier in that paragraph or that you were quoting somebody or something.

Didn't realize they were your own words.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I thought you had a specific citation since you said "according to the rules" earlier in that paragraph or that you were quoting somebody or something. Didn't realize they were your own words.

Sorry. From a seven year old article of mine that was published in IAABO Sportorials magazine.

[Altor]

Watched this take place one night:

Team A is shooting FTs in the first half, coach calls the other four players over during the first. B5 jogs over. He doesn't insert himself into the huddle, but looks over their shoulder and listens while Coach A is giving instructions. A12 realizes what is happening and gives B5 a small shove to push him away from the huddle. Nothing malicious, but can't say I remember if the ball was live when the shove occurred or not. B5 grins and takes a couple steps away. All this occurred with T's back to them. Could have been a bad situation.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not exactly the same, but similar in intent:

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

"Everybody get behind the division line”, often said by an official before free throws for a technical foul, or an intentional foul, is also not rule based. According to the rule, the nine non-shooters shall remain behind the free throw line extended, and behind the three point arc, and do not have to stay behind the division line. In some cases, this may allow players to legally converse with their coaches.

I never say that. The players do that on their own. For the OP, if the defensive players are causing a delay by huddling, you can follow the procedure for administering a delay warning. Hopefully it does not get to the point where you have to administer a technical foul for delay.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

. For the OP, if the defensive players are causing a delay by huddling, you can follow the procedure for administering a delay warning. Hopefully it does not get to the point where you have to administer a technical foul for delay.

1) The offensive players can also case a delay by huddling.

2) Huddling in the lane to delay the administration of the FT is NOT what the OP was about. It was the team meeting near the bench. If the defense does not put two players in the lower blocks, it's a T, with no (official) warning and certainly not a delay warning. (Good game management will have the official tell the coach that the players are needed before resorting to the T.)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the defense does not put two players in the lower blocks, it's a T, with no (official) warning and certainly not a delay warning.

10-4-5: A player must not: Delay the game by acts such as:
a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.
c. The free thrower fails to be in the free-throw semicircle when the official is ready to administer the free throw unless the resumption-of-play procedure is in effect following a time-out or intermission.

10.4.5 SITUATION: The ruling official has reported the foul and has given directions to players along the lane. The official is ready to put the ball at free thrower A1’s disposal, but A1 is at the sideline talking to the coach. RULING: A technical foul for delay is charged to A1. No warning is authorized in this situation. (10-3-5c)

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) The offensive players can also case a delay by huddling.

2) Huddling in the lane to delay the administration of the FT is NOT what the OP was about. It was the team meeting near the bench. If the defense does not put two players in the lower blocks, it's a T, with no (official) warning and certainly not a delay warning. (Good game management will have the official tell the coach that the players are needed before resorting to the T.)

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw. Only 2 players can be in the lane for the offense, so there is no way that there could be a 4-player huddle by the offense and they have 2 players in the lane at the same time.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw. Only 2 players can be in the lane for the offense, so there is no way that there could be a 4-player huddle by the offense and they have 2 players in the lane at the same time.

Great. Still has nothing to do with the delay warning.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw.

Sounds like offensive players to me. The shooter. Two who can be on the lane and choose not to. Two that can't be on the lane.

Originally Posted by cozzmokramer

... coach always brings his four players over to his sideline while his player shoots the first free throw. The four players huddle around him with his whiteboard, then after his player shoots the free throw those four players take their spots in the FT lane.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I am aware of that. However, in the OP, it appears to me that the OP was mentioning the defense, because he referenced 4 players huddling with their coach before the 2nd free throw. Only 2 players can be in the lane for the offense, so there is no way that there could be a 4-player huddle by the offense and they have 2 players in the lane at the same time.

Point being, if it is the defense huddling 4 players near the coach, there is no delay warning for failing to occupy both of the bottom lane spaces, it's technical foul.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Point being, if it is the defense huddling 4 players near the coach, there is no delay warning for failing to occupy both of the bottom lane spaces, it's technical foul.

The initial penalty for failing to occupy the required lane spaces is a free throw violation, but the huddling around the coach adds in a delay offense, and that triggers the technical foul.