End of quarter - "All related activity"

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Related activity is not defined in the rulebook, so either of us might be right. If the quarter is over, then by rule the players become bench personnel, and the coach would have to sit in the 3rd quarter, because all team members are bench personnel during an intermission. Do you want to go this route?

For what it’s worth, I agree with Camron. Those of us who have been officiating much longer than you, have a better sense of what the NFHS means by certain phrases in the rules book. Of course, the veterans can be incorrect from time to time, but we definitely have more experience working with these rules and their language.

Yes, I would consider the player to now be bench personnel and assess an indirect to the HC as part of the penalty.

(Note: BillyMac, find the song reference in this post!)

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

For what it’s worth,

(Note: BillyMac, find the song reference in this post!)

I'm quicker witted than BillyMac, and I didn't have to ask Google...

Buffalo Springfield!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80_3..._channel=RHINO

[Altor]

So, going back to my OQ, what I'm gathering is:

Nobody has a hard reference as to whether reporting the foul is "related activity." Most seem to think it isn't, which was my first instinct.

The rest I knew:
If it is part of 2Q: The FTs are shot before the intermission clock starts. 3Q starts with the AP arrow.

If it is part of 3Q: V-HC is additionally assessed and indirect TF and has to sit the rest of the game. The FTs are shot after the intermission clock ends. After the FTs, H is awarded a throw-in opposite the table as part of the penalty. The arrow does not change.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Altor

So, going back to my OQ, what I'm gathering is:

Nobody has a hard reference as to whether reporting the foul is "related activity." Most seem to think it isn't, which was my first instinct.

The rest I knew:
If it is part of 2Q: The FTs are shot before the intermission clock starts. 3Q starts with the AP arrow.

If it is part of 3Q: V-HC is additionally assessed and indirect TF and has to sit the rest of the game. The FTs are shot after the intermission clock ends. After the FTs, H is awarded a throw-in opposite the table as part of the penalty. The arrow does not change.

If you desire a case play or an NFHS annual interpretation ruling, you won’t find one. I haven’t seen such in 25 years.

However, if you look at the text of the rule, I believe that it is quite clear.

“…the quarter or extra period ends when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed.”

So for a period to not end when the ball becomes dead following the period-ending horn, there must be a foul while a try is in flight and that foul must result in free throws. Since a PC foul does not, this exception does not apply and the quarter is over.

Additionally, the phrase “and all related activity” refers to the free throws, not the quarter, so if there aren’t any free throws, then there cannot be any related activity.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If you desire a case play or an NFHS annual interpretation ruling, you won’t find one. I haven’t seen such in 25 years.

However, if you look at the text of the rule, I believe that it is quite clear.

“…the quarter or extra period ends when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed.”

So for a period to not end when the ball becomes dead following the period-ending horn, there must be a foul while a try is in flight and that foul must result in free throws. Since a PC foul does not, this exception does not apply and the quarter is over.

Additionally, the phrase “and all related activity” refers to the free throws, not the quarter, so if there aren’t any free throws, then there cannot be any related activity.

While I agree the OP should have the T be part of the third quarter, I think it's a slippery slope to put too much stock in the specific wording -- we've seen plenty of examples where the wording is sloppy and a literal reading results in nonsensical interpretations.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If you desire a case play or an NFHS annual interpretation ruling, you won’t find one. I haven’t seen such in 25 years.

However, if you look at the text of the rule, I believe that it is quite clear.

“…the quarter or extra period ends when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed.”

So for a period to not end when the ball becomes dead following the period-ending horn, there must be a foul while a try is in flight and that foul must result in free throws. Since a PC foul does not, this exception does not apply and the quarter is over.

Additionally, the phrase “and all related activity” refers to the free throws, not the quarter, so if there aren’t any free throws, then there cannot be any related activity.

Why not edit the rulebook to reflect that? "The period does not end until all activity related to the foul has ended. This includes reporting the foul and administering the subsequent free throws. If no free throws are appointed, the period is immediately ended, and the intermission begins after the foul is reported to the official scorer." This would clear up some of the confusion in this thread for future games.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

For what it’s worth ... (Note: BillyMac, find the song reference in this post!)

Originally Posted by justacoach

I'm quicker witted than BillyMac, and I didn't have to ask Google...Buffalo Springfield!!!

Nice pop culture reference Nevadaref. Thanks.

Thanks justacoach. I was stumped.

I am very familiar with the song, but didn't know the real name of the song. I thought it was "Stop, Hey What's That Sound".

Stephen Stills said that the name of the song came about when he presented it to the record company executives, "I have this song here, for what it's worth, if you want it." The executives gave the single the parenthetical title "For What It's Worth (Stop, Hey What's That Sound)" (often referred to as simply "For What It's Worth") in order that the song would be more easily recognized.

I'm surprised that I didn't know this. I'm a Stephen Stills and Neil Young (Buffalo Springfield band members) fan (along with Graham Nash and David Crosby).

For the young'uns, the band took their name from a steamroller parked outside their house.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

For the young'uns, the band took their name from a steamroller parked outside their house.

"I’m not sure where they got their name but I know that in the past year they sold enough records and made enough money to buy Buffalo and half of Springfield."