Captain

[Indianaref]

Must the captain or speaking captain be one of the five starting players?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Must the captain or speaking captain be one of the five starting players?

That should be a quick find in the rule book.

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[crosscountry55]

Queue the inevitable discussion on the futility of the “captain” concept in modern NFHS basketball.


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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Must the captain or speaking captain be one of the five starting players?

By definition, one of the five players is the captain. 3-1-1.

That need not be (one of) the team member(s) who attended the pre-game meeting or the one identified as the "speaking captain."

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

By definition, one of the five players is the captain. 3-1-1.

Five "starting" players?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Five "starting" players?

Doesn't matter. One of the players is the captain. The captain at the pre-game doesn't need to be a player -- starting or otherwise.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

doesn't matter. One of the players is the captain. The captain at the pre-game doesn't need to be a player -- starting or otherwise.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

That should be a quick find in the rule book.

2-7-1: The officials must conduct the game in accordance with the rules. This includes: Notifying the captains when play is about to begin at the start of the game.

3-1-1: Each team consists of five players, one of whom is the captain.

3-1-2: The captain is the representative of his/her team and may address an official on matters of interpretation or to obtain essential information, if it is done in a courteous manner. Any player may address an official to request a time-out or permission to leave the court.

3-3-1-E: A captain may request a defensive match-up if three or more substitutes from the same team enter during an opportunity to substitute.

8-2: The free throw(s) awarded because of a personal foul must be attempted by the offended player. If such player must withdraw because of an injury or disqualification, his/her substitute must attempt the throw(s) unless no substitute is available, in which case any teammate may attempt the throw(s) as selected by the team captain or head coach.
8-3: The free throws awarded because of a technical foul may be attempted by any player of the offended team, including an eligible substitute or designated starter. The coach or captain must designate the free thrower(s).

5.8.3 SITUATION C: A1 fouls B2. The scorer notifies the nearest official that this is A1’s fifth foul. The official notifies the coach of Team A of the disqualification. The official then instructs the timer to begin the 20-second replacement period. The official then notifies A1. After 10 seconds have elapsed: (a) the captain of request is denied as disqualified A1 must be replaced prior to any time-out being granted to either team. (2-8-4; 10-5-2)

5.11.7 SITUATION A: Airborne shooter A1 is fouled by B1 with the try in flight. The horn then sounds ending the fourth quarter playing time. The ball continues its flight and goes through the basket to tie the score. Before A1 attempts the free throw as part of the fourth quarter, Team B captain requests and is granted a 60-second time-out. Team A or B captain then requests a 30-second time-out during the same dead-ball period. RULING: The second request is denied. At the end of playing time for the fourth quarter or any overtime period, successive time-outs shall not be granted. This means a time-out cannot be granted either team until the clock has run in the extra period – assuming the free throw is missed. Successive time-outs may be granted in all situations except after time has expired in the fourth quarter or any extra period.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Queue the inevitable discussion on the futility of the “captain” concept in modern NFHS basketball.

The captain is as outdated as two-handed set shots, laced basketballs, peach baskets, and chicken wire cages around the perimeter of the court, an archaic, anachronistic formality.

"Who is the "speaking" captain? What's your number (if covered by shooting shirt)? Are you starting?"

All not part of my pregame coaches/officials/captains meeting.

Nor do I mark the "speaking" captain in the scorebook.

I'm a real rebel I tell you, a real rebel.

For the jump ball, I just loudly state, "Everybody ready!", even if the "speaking" captain is on the bench, he can hear me.

I'll talk to any player who approaches me politely, even if it's the twelfth person on the bench.

Haven't had a defensive match-up in decades, and if asked again, I will not reply "Are you the captain?".

If I need a player to calm down a knucklehead, I'll ask a "team leader", even if they're not one of the co, tri, quad, quint, sex, sept, oct, no, dec, etc.-captains.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

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For the jump ball, I just loudly state, "Everybody ready!", even if the "speaking" captain is on the bench, he can hear me.
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There is no such thing as a speaking captain, that's something officials make up.

By definition from 3-1-1, the captain is one of the five players on the court. So one of those five players is being addressed when you say "everybody ready". Who is on the bench is irrelevant.

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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Raymond

By definition from 3-1-1, the captain is one of the five players on the court. So one of those five players is being addressed when you say "everybody ready". Who is on the bench is irrelevant.

I guess that means if the captain is substituted for, we need to ask who the new captain is.

Maybe we should just make them pass a Burger King crown whenever captains swap out. Has to be black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the jersey, of course…


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Must the captain or speaking captain be one of the five starting players?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Who is the "speaking" captain? ...

Originally Posted by Raymond

There is no such thing as a speaking captain, that's something officials make up ...

Of course there isn't. Which is why I put it in quotes.

But Indianaref mentioned it in his original post, and some officials will utilize the term. Those who use the term probably use it because of the singular nature of the rule ("one of whom is the captain") when confronted with more than one captain (as is often the case here in my little corner of Connecticut, and probably elsewhere), with "speaking" referring to rule language "may address an official on matters of interpretation or to obtain essential information".

My post above clearly indicates what I think of only identifying one, single captain, and whom I will, and will not "speak" to.

Since I don't identify one, single captain, nor do I ask if that one, single captain is starting, there is always a slight chance that the one, single captain may be on the bench to start the game, thus my general announcement, "Everybody ready!", to cover the "notifying the captains when play is about to begin at the start of the game" rule.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The captain is as outdated as two-handed set shots, laced basketballs, peach baskets, and chicken wire cages around the perimeter of the court, an archaic, anachronistic formality.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Of course there isn't. Which is why I put it in quotes.



But Indianaref mentioned it in his original post, and some officials will utilize the term. Those who use the term probably use it because of the singular nature of the rule ("one of whom is the captain") when confronted with more than one captain (as is often the case here in my little corner of Connecticut, and probably elsewhere), with "speaking" referring to rule language "may address an official on matters of interpretation or to obtain essential information".



My post above clearly indicates what I think of only identifying one, single captain, and whom I will, and will not talk to.



Since I don't identify one, single captain, nor do I ask if that one, single captain is starting, there is always a slight chance that the one, single captain may be on the bench to start the game, thus my general announcement, "Everybody ready!", to cover the "notifying the captains when play is about to begin at the start of the game" rule.

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter if a team member at the captain's meeting begins the game on the bench. A captain is defined in the rule book as one of the five players on the court. There is always a captain on the floor.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I guess that means if the captain is substituted for, we need to ask who the new captain is. Maybe we should just make them pass a Burger King crown whenever captains swap out.

I believe that I've already posted a nomination for Post O' The Month, but if I was allowed to nominate a second post for this highly prestigious award, this would be it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter if a team member at the captain's meeting begins the game on the bench. A captain is defined in the rule book as one of the five players on the court.

Yes I did. Agree that that's the rule, but when referring to captains, I prefer to deal with practical aspect of identifying captains (for me that ends when they all show up at the meeting, while others like to narrow down the identification) rather than following the written rule (that assumes that some type of a captain is always one of five players on the court at any one time) to somehow identify a captain as players and substitutes come in and out of the game.

Right, or wrong, as soon as the numerous captains walk away from the pregame meeting, I don't ever think about captains again throughout the rest of the game.