Interesting Play

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Once one deems her actions as an attempt to get up, it illegal, don't have to wait for the "get up" to be completed.

Having nothing to do with the debate in this thread so far, it's interesting that the official in the video waits until the player starts her dribble, and completes three dribbles, to sound his whistle.

Patient whistle, late whistle, or just needed time to think about it?

[WI_Ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Having nothing to do with the debate in this thread so far, it's interesting that the official in the video waits until the player starts her dribble, and completes three dribbles, to sound his whistle.

Patient whistle, late whistle, or just needed time to think about it?

Time to think about....they didn't know what they saw and waited to hear someone yell out travel It definitely looked weird.....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by WI_Ref

... they didn't know what they saw and waited to hear someone yell out travel ...

Always appreciate help from fans.

Originally Posted by WI_Ref

It definitely looked weird ...

Remember, weird doesn't always mean illegal.

[Mike Goodwin]

I can't see the video all that well, but I'll give my impression of it just the same. The player in white secures the ball from a prone position and "retracts" her body such that she is on both knees. Legal so far.

This part isn't clear on my screen, but if the player lifted her left knee before she started her dribble, and that is why the official ruled a traveling violation, then I agree with him.

I use 4.44.5 Situation C for support. Lifting the knee before starting a dribble (or moving the whole left leg in the case of this video), was an attempt to get up (rise to one's feet, i.e., stand), as evidenced by the fact that she did stand up just about the time the official ruled a violation.

[Camron Rust]

This play is traveling.

This case plays details what the player may do.

4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without violating? RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or request a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)

The case says they may sit up if they're on their back. It doesn't say they can rise to their knees if they're on their belly. If that were to be legal, it would be listed. Further, the travel rule is one that is based on listing what is legal and what is not specified as legal isn't.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... Camron Rust discovered possible exceptions to this adage in a recent thread about fumbles, which maybe not coincidentally, was also about travelling.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... the travel rule is one that is based on listing what is legal and what is not specified as legal isn't.

Which, from this point on is to be referred to as "The Camron Rust Adage" Ⓒ 2021 Camron Rust

Add it to the old adage list, that includes, among others, "If it's not illegal, it's legal".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Add it to the list, that includes, among others ...

You are where you were until you get where you're going.
Must have something in and nothing out.
Last to touch, first to touch.
Must sit a tick, don’t have to play a tick.
There's a difference between being tripped, and tripping.
Over the back isn't, on the back is.
Accidental isn't always incidental.
If you are not sure, don’t call it.
When the ball is dead, we must be alive.
Prevent if we can, enforce if we must.
Answer questions, not statements.
Anticipate the play, not the call.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

... the player lifted her left knee ...

Ah, it's the old lift the pivot knee trick. Gets them every time.

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

I use 4.44.5 Situation C for support.

4.44.5 SITUATION C: A1 secures possession of the ball with one knee in contact with the floor. May A1 assume a standing position without committing a traveling violation? RULING: It depends on what A1 does. If A1 attempts to stand up while holding the ball, a traveling violation occurs. However, if A1 starts a dribble and then rises, no violation has occurred. Also, A1 could pass, try for goal or request a time-out from that position.

[Bob Martin]

It seems to me if I was lying on my belly and wanted to get up I would rise to my knees first. Just a thought.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bob Martin

It seems to me if I was lying on my belly and wanted to get up I would rise to my knees first. Just a thought.

There's always the "push up method".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bob Martin

It seems to me if I was lying on my belly and wanted to get up I would rise to my knees first. Just a thought.

Yeah, but the rule does not say going to your knees in itself is illegal. If it did, then that would solve the confusion.

Peace