Ball Hitting Basket Ring

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. If it's not illegal, it's legal.

Purpose and intent may handle it, but it's a stretch when the casebook play specifically, and only, mentions "backboard".

The casebook play also specifically states "the ball hits B's backboard and bounces directly back to A1." Question: What if the ball hits B's backboard, then the ring and then to A1? Would it be legal for A1 to start a dribble? IMHO if A1 started a dribble I would rule a violation in all three situations (backboard only, backboard+ring, ring only) to be consistent in not giving A1 an unfair advantage not intended by the existing rule.

[SNIPERBBB]

What advantage would A1 get if the ball came straight to him, didnt hit the floor and he didnt move?

[Indianaref]

I would consider the ball striking the ring at the opponents goal the same as hitting an official and then returning to A1.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I would consider the ball striking the ring at the opponents goal the same as hitting an official and then returning to A1.

So it's a dribble?

4-4-4: A ball which touches ... an official is the same as the ball touching the floor at that individual’s location.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

What advantage would A1 get if the ball came straight to him, didn't hit the floor and he didn't move?

Just for fun: Fake a defensive opponent out of position?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by billyu2

What if the ball hits B's backboard, then the ring and then to A1? Would it be legal for A1 to start a dribble?

4.15.1 SITUATION C ... The pass against B’s backboard was the start of a dribble which ended when A1 caught the ball ... it is a violation for a second dribble.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4.15.1 SITUATION C ... The pass against B’s backboard was the start of a dribble which ended when A1 caught the ball ... it is a violation for a second dribble.

But the ball didn't bounce directly back to A1. It touched something else, the ring. The whole point of OP was if the ball hit the ring instead of the backboard only, would it be legal to start a dribble? Some seem to indicate "legal" since the rule specifically says backboard only. I am asking if the ball hits the backboard, then the ring, then goes to A1 would it be legal for A1 to start a dribble since the rule specifically says the ball (from the backboard) must return directly to A1 which it did not.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by billyu2

But the ball didn't bounce directly back to A1. It touched something else, the ring ... I am asking if the ball hits the backboard, then the ring, then goes to A1 would it be legal for A1 to start a dribble since the rule specifically says the ball (from the backboard) must return directly to A1 which it did not.

My opinion: The pass against B’s backboard was still the start of a dribble, use "normal" rules to decide what can, or cannot, legally happen next.

Keeping only the ring (not ring and backboard) in the situation makes the interpretation less complex, not a lot, but a little.