Casebook 7.5.7 sit A.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Blindolbat

Doing some late night reading last night and came upon this in the book.
Can someone please explain this to me?




My head is thinking, why does the goaltending count on a player control foul? We wouldn't count a regular basket.
And if there's a goaltending, the ball would become dead at that point and any foul after that point would have to be a dead ball technical or flagrant foul. But it clearly says A1 is still an airborne shooter, so we don't have that.

So maybe I just don't know enough about my goaltending rules to know that this basket should count.

The goaltending happened first. So, A gets two (or three) points.

A1 was still airborne -- so it's still a PC foul.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The goaltending happened first. So, A gets two (or three) points. A1 was still airborne -- so it's still a PC foul.

Nice.

[Raymond]

The foul doesn't negate the violation that already occurred. The penalty for the violation is an award of 2 points.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... the local explanation here in my little corner of Connecticut has always been that while true that a basket can't be "scored" under "normal" player control circumstances, the basket can sometimes be "awarded".

Originally Posted by Raymond

The foul doesn't negate the violation. The penalty for the violation is an award of 2 points.

Agree.

Raymond reminded me of the exact wording of our local explanation (probably brought up as a "contested" exam question answer, or when I served on the rules training committee): "The foul doesn't negate the violation".

[BillyMac]

Another "may not, at first, seem to make sense" interpretation.

Along the same lines as a "blarge", where with no additional block called, no basket; but the addition of a block changes it from a player control foul to a double foul, and the penalty for a double foul allows for the basket to be scored.

Yet another reason why basketball officials get paid the big bucks.

[BillyMac]

Rule 6 - Section 7
Dead Ball
The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
Art. 4 . . . A player-control or team-control foul occurs.
Art. 5 . . . An official’s whistle is blown (see exceptions a and b below).
Art. 9 . . . A violation, as in 9-2 through 13, occurs (see exception d below).
Exception: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap for field goal ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.
d. Article 9 as in 9-3-3 or 9-13-1, occurs by an opponent (leave the court for an unauthorized reason, excessively arms).

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Rule 6 - Section 7
Dead Ball
Art. 9 . . . A violation, as in 9-2 through 13, occurs (see exception d below).
Exception: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap for field goal ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
d. Article 9 as in 9-3-3, 9-11, 9-12 or 9-13-1, occurs by an opponent.

My suggestion to the rules committee for clearing this all up.


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