Correcting error

[surehands]

A1 is fouled byB1, it is the seventh team foul on Team B and A1 goes to the line for a one and one. A1 makes the first but misses the second where the rebound is tipped in by A2. As Team B brings the ball up the court and first bald ends. Be fore the 3rd quarter stars scorer alerts the officials that the foul on B1 was only the 6th team foul on Team B and A1 should not have received a one and one. What is the world do we do?????

[Raymond]

Too late to correct.

The first live ball after the error was the second free throw. The next dead ball was the time frame after the tip-in. Once the ball was at the disposal of Team B for the throw in, we now have our second live ball.

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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Too late to correct.

The first live ball after the error was the second free throw. The next dead ball was the time frame after the tip-in. Once the ball was at the disposal of Team B for the throw in, we now have our second live ball.

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That is the right conclusion, but for slightly imprecise reasoning.
The timeframe for correction is prior to the second live ball AFTER the clock has properly started. Therefore, the ball being made live for the second FT attempt is not actually a factor. (Because the game could be halted at this point by an official without impacting the correctable error timeframe.) What is important is that the ball remains live when the second FT attempt is missed and that the clock starts upon the tap by A2. This is the point at which the correctable error timeframe begins. Since the live ball now passes through the basket for a goal it becomes dead and the error must be fixed at this moment. As you note, once the ball is deemed to be at the disposal of Team B for a throw-in and becomes live again, it is too late to correct the error of awarding unmerited FTs.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

... the ball remains live when the second FT attempt is missed and that the clock starts upon the tap by A2. This is the point at which the correctable error time frame begins. Since the live ball now passes through the basket for a goal it becomes dead and the error must be fixed at this moment ...

So let's say that this is the "moment" (dead ball after field goal) that the correctable error is recognized.

2-10-5: Points scored, consumed time and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of an error, must not be nullified.

Cancel the free throw point by A1. Do not cancel the two point tip in field goal by A2. Award the ball to Team B for a run the endline throwin at the point of interruption (dead ball after field goal).

Would that be how this correctable error could be corrected?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So let's say that this is the "moment" (dead ball after field goal) that the correctable error is recognized.

2-10-5: Points scored, consumed time and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of an error, must not be nullified.

Cancel the free throw point by A1. Do not cancel the two point tip in field goal by A2. Award the ball to Team B for a run the endline throwin at the point of interruption (dead ball after field goal).

Would that be how this correctable error could be corrected?

Yep

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Yep

Thank you. Now let's "twist it up" a little more.

After the first successful free throw by A1, the correctable error is discovered during a dead ball period after a common rebounding foul by A2 after the ball rebounds off the ring, and all are certain the try will not be successful.

2-10-4: If the error is a free throw by the wrong player or at the wrong basket, or the awarding of an unmerited free throw, the free throw and the activity during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, must be canceled.

4-20-3: The free throw ends when the try is successful, when it is certain the try will not be successful, when the try touches the floor or any player, or when the ball becomes dead.

What happens next (assume that Team B is in the bonus)?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That is the right conclusion, but for slightly imprecise reasoning.
The timeframe for correction is prior to the second live ball AFTER the clock has properly started. Therefore, the ball being made live for the second FT attempt is not actually a factor. (Because the game could be halted at this point by an official without impacting the correctable error timeframe.) What is important is that the ball remains live when the second FT attempt is missed and that the clock starts upon the tap by A2. This is the point at which the correctable error timeframe begins. Since the live ball now passes through the basket for a goal it becomes dead and the error must be fixed at this moment. As you note, once the ball is deemed to be at the disposal of Team B for a throw-in and becomes live again, it is too late to correct the error of awarding unmerited FTs.

Thanks for the catch. I knew my conclusion had a slight flaw in it, but was too lazy to pull out my books.