Monthly D1 Assigning?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

My post wasn't about the original post of the thread, but was a response to a very recent post by Raymond regarding COVID policies.



I thought that my post would spark some interest from others to share their state scholastic COVID policies.



Which is exactly what I did in my post, note "Last year" and "This year".

Then start another topic. But this kind of is irrelevant to the OP. As Raymond said, multiple states and multiple institutions have many more things to factor in than a local high school. And conferences are playing teams likely from other states or other parts of a state. So the issue or issues that would be related to them has nothing to do with high school where you might be in the same school district or the next school district over. Nothing wrong with that conversation, but not relevant to college assigning and their process. The only way it affects what high school does is if officials have to choose to work a high school or college game on the same night. Otherwise one has nothing to do with the other.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Then start another topic.

Done. Maybe JRutledge can be the first to post.

[Player989random]

Yes, I just got a flurry of assignments, and luckily only two were conflicting and they were D2 vs JUCO, so the assignor was fine with it.

I will say I have one D3 assignor who won't accept any turn backs "unless it's D1". I'm not sure if he realizes how much of his staff works D2, but it's at least 50%, so we'll see how long that lasts.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Player989random

Yes, I just got a flurry of assignments, and luckily only two were conflicting and they were D2 vs JUCO, so the assignor was fine with it.

I will say I have one D3 assignor who won't accept any turn backs "unless it's D1". I'm not sure if he realizes how much of his staff works D2, but it's at least 50%, so we'll see how long that lasts.

Fortunately for me, I work for assignors that know that a good deal of their staff works for other assignors that they know and they often talk to maximize your schedules with other assignors. But this situation is unusual where it appears there is more of a fight for spots and they might work together but expect some loyalty to them. It is hard because there are only so many games to go around at one time.

Right now I have mostly D3 stuff out. I have literally one D2 game in November. And the biggest consortium I am a part of has not put anything past the first Saturday in December at this point (as far as I can tell). Going to be very interesting the next coming days and months.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Player989random

Yes, I just got a flurry of assignments, and luckily only two were conflicting and they were D2 vs JUCO, so the assignor was fine with it.

I will say I have one D3 assignor who won't accept any turn backs "unless it's D1". I'm not sure if he realizes how much of his staff works D2, but it's at least 50%, so we'll see how long that lasts.

Yeah, ask the D2 assigners if they view D3 games as equivalents.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Yeah, ask the D2 assigners if they view D3 games as equivalents.

They don't and neither do the officials. But also some areas have only a plethora of D2 in an area and might not have D3 in the area or vise versa. Officials just want to work.

But I bet D2 pays more than D3 anyway and clearly has more prestige. I hate when officials are caught in the middle of this, especially now.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

They don't and neither do the officials. But also some areas have only a plethora of D2 in an area and might not have D3 in the area or vise versa. Officials just want to work.

But I bet D2 pays more than D3 anyway and clearly has more prestige. I hate when officials are caught in the middle of this, especially now.

Peace

I agree with you. I was intending to point out that the D3 assigner who doesn't view D2 games as being a higher level - is a dick. Another example of a low-level assigner thinking more highly of himself and his league than he should.

Fortunately, all the assigners I work for across three different levels of college basketball, and my high school assigner, know where they stand on the hierarchy.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I agree with you. I was intending to point out that the D3 assigner who doesn't view D2 games as being a higher level - is a dick. Another example of a low-level assigner thinking more highly of himself and his league than he should.

Fortunately, all the assigners I work for across three different levels of college basketball, and my high school assigner, know where they stand on the hierarchy.

I was not disagreeing at all, just adding to the fact that some parts of the country have fewer multiple levels of college ball to deal with. Or they have fewer so they do not care if D2 is assigned because they do not have that many games to deal with. In an area like mine, we are surrounded by JUCO, NAIA, D3 and D2 and people can work multiple games in the same basic area. There are areas that have absolutely no NAIA for example and NAIA in some cases pays more than D3 and JUCO. I have had assignors say, "A JUCO game is better than any D3 game." This might be true on paper, but there might be a better atmosphere in a D3 game than any JUCO game. I know officials out west for example that have no D3 in their area and they work a bunch of D2. Hard to do that here because a lot of D2 is given to guys that work D1 already and you are trying to get whatever they are not being considered for. Because if a JUCO assignor told me that he did not want me to get off a game to work a D3 game in my area, I might stop working for that person altogether. JUCO is probably in some cases better talent, but for the lack of a better word can be a shit show.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Player989random

Yes, I just got a flurry of assignments, and luckily only two were conflicting and they were D2 vs JUCO, so the assignor was fine with it.



I will say I have one D3 assignor who won't accept any turn backs "unless it's D1". I'm not sure if he realizes how much of his staff works D2, but it's at least 50%, so we'll see how long that lasts.

That's like a JUCO supervisor saying he won't release you for a D3 game, only D2 and D1 games.

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[SC Official]

Arbiter is also a problem in this respect. All your Arbiter assigners can see whether you have a game or not even if you don’t share your schedule. A lot of them will pass over you even if you show as open but have a lower-level assignment. I know an assigner who doesn’t use Arbiter for this exact reason.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Arbiter is also a problem in this respect. All your Arbiter assigners can see whether you have a game or not even if you don’t share your schedule. A lot of them will pass over you even if you show as open but have a lower-level assignment. I know an assigner who doesn’t use Arbiter for this exact reason.

I have at least one supervisor whom I know doesn't look at the notes or the info attached to somebody's name. All they look to see is whether or not they are available.

I am lucky two of my D3 supervisors are really good friends and they work together on their schedules.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I am lucky two of my D3 supervisors are really good friends and they work together on their schedules.

For over thirty years my high school assigner got along well with my Catholic middle school assigner. Why? My Catholic middle school assigner had a policy that high school games had priority over his Catholic middle school games. No need to block out dates on our high school schedule once we got our Catholic middle school assignments. My Catholic middle school assigner had no problem with a 4:00 p.m. phone call informing him that I picked up a last minute high school game that night (official illness, or injury, last minute weather reschedule) and could not work for him that night. That's why he was successful at attracting, and keeping, the top officials for his games. Many of his Catholic middle school games were officiated by state tournament level officials.

Some low level assigners didn't get along with our high school assigner because these low level assigners would ask their guys to block out their low level assignment dates (if asked, I refused, often quitting) with the high school assigner after the "dust cleared" after initial high school assignments were published (example, block out every Monday and Wednesday not already officiating a high school game to work local mens recreation games). This got to be a big problem as we moved from a boys only board to a boys and and girls board, needing high school officials six days a week.

Still, these are minor, often easily surmountable, problems compared to you college guys, especially those who also still work high school games on your college off nights.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Of course, many of you work for multiple assigners at multiple levels, multiple high school assigners (different leagues, individual schools, different states), and multiple college assigners (multiple levels and multiple leagues at the same level), making for very complex assignments, with lots of "big money' at stake, lots of miles to travel (many by plane), and many assigners to stay on the good side of.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Arbiter is also a problem in this respect. All your Arbiter assigners can see whether you have a game or not even if you don’t share your schedule. A lot of them will pass over you even if you show as open but have a lower-level assignment. I know an assigner who doesn’t use Arbiter for this exact reason.

Arbiter is a problem in almost all respects, for officials. I hate it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Arbiter is a problem in almost all respects, for officials. I hate it.

That is why many are getting away from it. It was good in practice where you could share calendars to some extent, but if you do not use it right, then people can overwrite blocks or see things you do not want them to see.

Now it feels like I am in the old days, when I get a game on one site, I have to go to 2 more sites to give blocks. Just very interesting how things come full circle and that is what Arbiter was supposed to prevent. But I would rather do it this way to some extent than argue over a blocked date.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Arbiter is also a problem in this respect. All your Arbiter assigners can see whether you have a game or not even if you don’t share your schedule. A lot of them will pass over you even if you show as open but have a lower-level assignment. I know an assigner who doesn’t use Arbiter for this exact reason.

You can set up Arbiter to not share that information. Now, this is also depending on how your Arbiter accounts are set up. I have over 20 different accounts with Arbiter varying from high school organizations to some college. Most college assignors do not us Arbiter at all. I had multiple that used Blue Zebra. Now a couple of college assignors left Blue Zebra to go to RefQuest Plus (Including the creator of the site). But my point is my high school assignors have no connection to the college assignors and I can literally not show why I have a block. So that makes it much easier to not give out direct information. That certainly is not the case everywhere I am sure.

Peace