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Old Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:51am
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Is this a player control foul on this play? Does Gold #0 illegally displace his opponent?

Two choices: This is a player control foul. This is incidental contact.

My comment: This is a player control foul. Ball handler Gold #0 illegally contacted defender White #30 and gained an advantage by creating space between the two players.
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Old Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:54am
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"Hey Gold player in the corner. Do you want to look like a basketball player? Then please tuck your jersey in."
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Old Wed Jul 14, 2021, 12:32pm
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Very first look at normal speed, while I did spot some contact, I thought that defender White #30 retreated of his own volition, but after a second look, I decided that it was the push by ball handler Gold #0 into defender White #30's chest that caused him to retreat, thus creating the extra space and an illegal advantage that ball handler Gold #0 wanted to achieve (but didn't really followup on and take advantage of).

So I could easily see why some may want to pass on this call, defender possibly retreated of his own volition, or there was no actual ball handling advantage (pass, drive, shot) gained.

If ball handler Gold #0 had stepped back and buried a jump shot, this would have been an easier call for me.

Or maybe not?

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Old Wed Jul 14, 2021, 01:40pm
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I have a PC foul.

Maybe the shirt came out during play, it is not a dead ball, who cares?

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Old Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:17pm
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I have nothing. I think the defensive player was going to retreat anyway.

I don't worry about jerseys until the ball is dead. Based on Billy's comments I was expecting something egregious, but it looks like his shirt just came out during the course of action.

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Old Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:23pm
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Maybe the shirt came out during play, it is not a dead ball, who cares?
Please don't get me wrong. I would never "stop" the game, at any point, under almost any circumstances (exception: player defiantly pulls out jersey) to address an untucked jersey. In fact, I would even be more conservative than JRutledge and Raymond, not only waiting for dead ball, but rather, waiting for a stopped clock dead ball. Good times for me to address untucked jerseys include when players are lining up for free throws (also a usual time for me to note untucked jerseys as I check for proper player positioning, remember, I often work middle school games), or during lengthy substitutions.

I have been using the friendly, "Do you want to look like a basketball player?" line in my middle school games over the past three years. It seems to draw a more positive attitude and response than if I just say, "Tuck in your jersey" in an authoritarian manner. With middle school girls, I will usually followup with, "Now you look like a UCONN player", which, here in Connecticut, usually draws a smile. Boys, for whatever reason, maybe boys being boys, trying to act cool, never smile.
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Old Wed Jul 14, 2021, 02:26pm
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I have a PC foul.
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I have nothing. I think the defensive player was going to retreat anyway.
Similar to the percentage of answers in early IAABO comment returns.

The jersey was just an little "Easter egg" and not a serious comment, but thanks for responding.
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Old Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:04pm
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Please don't get me wrong. I would never "stop" the game, at any point, to address an untucked jersey. In fact, I would even be more conservative than JRutledge and Raymond, not only waiting for dead ball, but rather, waiting for a stopped clock dead ball. Good times for me to address untucked jerseys include when players are lining up for free throws (also a usual time for me to note untucked jerseys as I check for proper player positioning, remember, I often work middle school games), or during lengthy substitutions.
You thought I meant a literal "dead ball" like when the basket it made? You thought I would consider stopping all play because by rule we have a dead ball? More like, we have all subs coming into the game and I tell the player after the ball was ruled a foul, out of bounds or a violation and I can get to the said player in a timely manner, that is the only way I am telling a kid to tuck their shirt in. This might not be noticed for several minutes under the right circumstances from me.

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Old Wed Jul 14, 2021, 03:15pm
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This might not be noticed for several minutes under the right circumstances from me.
I can go much longer than that as I usually have more important things to deal with. I never really look for it, it just "appears" to me. A lot may depend on the color(s) of the jersey and shorts. With players on the "husky" side, I may discreetly ask their coach during a private moment if he, or she, thinks I should try to address and enforce with said player.
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You thought I meant a literal "dead ball" like when the basket it made?
No, just messing around with both you and Raymond. There's just so much that one can do with the written word. Sorry if you took my chain yanking the wrong way. We have perfected chain yanking to a fine art here in my little corner of Connecticut. We have our COVID postponed board banquet tomorrow night so I'm practicing and preparing for the event.

Here, if one never gets one's chain yanked, it may be a sign that one may not liked, or respected. I only yank the chains of competent and respected officials. With officials that I don't believe are competent and respected, it's all business with our interactions. It's a local thing. When I travel a long distance to observe friendly, competent, and respected officials in state tournament games, I often start my conversation with them with, "I traveled all the way here to see great officiating and I'm struck with you two (three) knuckleheads. Is there another game nearby?". With those that I don't respect as competent officials (or strangers) it's just, "Hi guys. Have a great game".
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Old Wed Jul 14, 2021, 11:10pm
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No, just messing both you and Raymond.
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Sure you were.
Nit picking for fun with no malice intended.
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Tell me anything. And no one is upset by the way. I ain't got time for that.

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