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Yes you can, never said you couldn't. If you didn't see any contact, I've got no problem with that, disagree, but have no argument.
But how can you comment on contact that warranted or didn't warrant a foul for contact that you yourself didn't see? Unless you mean the foul was not warranted because there wasn't contact. That I disagree with in this video, but I respect that opinion. In order for you to do that, be sure not to use the word "incidental" (a word that was used several times in your posts) because that does imply some type of legal contact.
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No Flagrant Or Intentional Mentioned ...
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Oddly, they used this old Point of Emphasis to "upgrade" in a citation on an IAABO Make The Call Video Play Commentary posted on January 20, 2021. IAABO Make The Call Video Play Commentary: This is an intentional foul. If a player swings elbows excessively, (faster than the rest of the player’s torso), and contacts an opponent, it is at a minimum an intentional foul. If the contact is severe or the player ‘measures up’ the opponent, it is flagrant. (2012-13 POE) In this play, Red #35 swings her elbows in at a pace that exceeds the speed of the torso. This should be ruled an intentional personal foul. Officials only have rules support to rule this incidental contact or a common foul (player control foul) if the player's elbow was stationary when the contact occurred. (2012-13 POE) https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...2FIE%2Bg%3D%3D Ill get back to everybody once I get a reply.
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Lots of opinions, in regard to whether, or not, there was, or wasn't, contact of any type; and if there was contact, plenty of opinions regarding whether, or not (incidental), the contact warranted a foul call; and then whether it was a blocking foul, or a player control foul. Lots of room around the table for discussion about a poor quality video, including some that didn't want to comment at all on record because of such a bad angle in the video.
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Valued Opinion ...
No, I'm arguing with you, not necessarily because of your opinions, but rather, because of the sometimes confusing and contradictory appearing words (incidental) that you use to express your usually valued opinion.
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Moot Point ...
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Regarding "automatic", you may be right, because we do not have any recent citations, of any type, stating that the old Point of Emphasis is still valid. However, I may be right because we don't have any citation of any type stating that the old Point of Emphasis is now invalid. Nor do we have any rule changes, caseplay changes, annual interpretations, or newer Point of Emphases that would give even a hint that the old Point of Emphasis is now invalid. Jury's out, and by jury, I mean the NFHS, not BillyMac, not JRutledge, not the Forum, and not IAABO. Only the highest levels of the NFHS know for sure.
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Second Hand Rationales ...
Still can't figure out how you can state this opinion when you don't see the contact, unless you mean that "any" ruling of contact (incidental, player control foul) is impossible because there wasn't any contact, only basing your opinion on observations stated by others, including me, in the thread. If that's the case, then I finally get it. I still disagree, but I get some of your second hand rationales.
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If so, how long ago did the people you work high school for decide that the infamous 2012-13 POE was no longer valid, and for what reason? And how was the invalidity announced?
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Monopoly ...
Great point.
Things are pretty simple regarding consistency here in Connecticut. Every single high school official in the entire state is an IAABO trained official. Every single high school game (and many middle school games) is assigned by an IAABO local board employed assigner. All local IAABO interpreters (trainers) coordinate under the guidance one IAABO state interpreter, who is guided by the four IAABO International co-coordinators of interpreters (the Gang of Four). Our state interscholastic sports governing body (CIAC) pretty much follows the guidelines of IAABO (it's the only game in town). And finally, IAABO International is very chummy with the NFHS (I believe that IAABO has a permanent seat at the NFHS rules committee table). Seldom (exception: last time free throw went from hit to release) would IAABO, on any level, international, state, or local, teach (that's what IAABO does, number one priority is to teach) anything that goes against any NFHS guidelines.
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And I Read Every Word He Says, Reason For My My Occasional Debates With JRutledge ...
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Good catch. Thanks for not answering (seriously, not being sarcastic), this debate has gone on long enough, was getting boring (even for me), and was no longer "Fun" (like the thread title states). I'll let everyone know if and when I get a reply (for me, or against me) on this old POE from the "Gang of Four". At this point, I really don't care what side I fall on, I just want an answer of some sort, even if it just applies to IAABO. I may also followup with the "Gang of Four" on the "Interpretation" thread from a few days ago (what happens to old interpretations no longer in the casebook, or annual interpretations that never make their way into the casebook?).
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