Fun With Contact …

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You noticed the reversal of the uniform colors, but not 11:00 on the clock? I’ll save you the trouble of asking. MN plays 18 minute halves for HS games.

Noticed it (it was the scoreboard that first got my attention directed to home team jersey color), but already knew that some states play games in halves.

Sixteen minutes for Minnesota subvarsity games.

Also restricted area (mandatory above grade nine, optional grade nine), some shot clocks (necessary equipment obviously needed and team agreement), running clock mercy rule (35 points last "quarter" of game), 14 foot coaching box, and apparel (wristbands, headbands, arm/knee sleeves, knee pads, compression shorts, tights) restricted to only solid black or white (I guess no jersey color, or beige allowed).

Now that's a deep Marianas Trench dive.

Got a call (or a no call)?

[Zoochy]

BillyMac, you have Waaaay too much time
As for the video. I cannot confirm nor deny the contact. Bad angle.
Not sure if those are approved signals for the State of Minnesota, but the official looks like she is about to Break Dance.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

BillyMac, you have Waaaay too much time

Agree. Things are starting to get busy outside. Lawn needs to be mowed and edged. Sugar Snap Peas are already in the ground. Cherry Tomatoes, Marigolds, Nasturtium, and Alyssum are still under the grow lights in my basement, but should be ready to go in the ground and containers in a few weeks. Looking to buy a new pullet to add to my flock of backyard hens. Kayak group starts group paddles this weekend. I'll be too busy to multiple post each day, but should still have enough time to post IAABO Make The Call Videos as they are published.

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Not sure if those are approved signals for the State of Minnesota ...

Hopefully the NFHS will confirm and emphasize one single player control foul signal in a few weeks. Maybe it won't help, but it can't hurt. My little corner of Connecticut is like the Wild Wild West when it comes to player control foul signals.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

NFHS Rules Committee: Eliminate player control signal...use only team control signal

[JRutledge]

I see nothing that really looks like a PC foul or can tell how much displacement there was. The angle they picked was not conducive for supporting this foul.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

1. Clear travel upon catching the ball.
2. Likely illegal contact by the defender, but I can understand letting it go.
3. However, if one is going to pass on the contact by the defender, it is harsh to not allow the offensive player to push back. Coming up with a PC here is not ideal.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. Clear travel upon catching the ball.
2. Likely illegal contact by the defender, but I can understand letting it go.
3. However, if one is going to pass on the contact by the defender, it is harsh to not allow the offensive player to push back. Coming up with a PC here is not ideal.

I didn't see it initially, but the offensive player's arm/elbow was under the defenders chin then upside her head. Hard to ignore that one....it was escalating it to the next level.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I didn't see it initially, but the offensive player's arm/elbow was under the defenders chin then upside her head. Hard to ignore that one ...

That was the player control foul I wanted called, and I would prefer to not go down the "contact above the shoulders" rabbit hole.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I see nothing that really looks like a PC foul or can tell how much displacement there was ..

Watch White #1's head snap back after being elbowed, there's your displacement.

OK, "snap" is hyperbole, more of a "move" back.

Anytime a moving elbow contacts a player in the head, a foul (of some type) should to be charged.

Of course, a player moving toward and contacting a stationary elbow is another story for another time.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I didn't see it initially, but the offensive player's arm/elbow was under the defenders chin then upside her head. Hard to ignore that one....it was escalating it to the next level.

And that is why the contact that the defender caused from behind and while sticking her arm into the mix warranted a whistle first. I’ve never been comfortable calling the second foul which is in response to contact I just allowed.
It feels unjust.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. Clear travel upon catching the ball.

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There is no way for the official to see the ball and be able to rule a travel or not. I called a blind travel once in a college game only to have the video show that the player did not have possession of the ball.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Black #10 traveled before the contact.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Through no fault of her own, if she hadn't gotten jammed between the two players and the coach and his bench she may have had a wider, more open look to see the travel. At one point she had to take a step around the coach (who was legally in his coaching box).

Originally Posted by Raymond

There is no way for the official to see the ball and be able to rule a travel or not. I called a blind travel once in a college game only to have the video so that the player did not have possession of the ball.

Even though I pointed out the travel in my initial comment (for educational purposes, not to criticize the official), she gets a pass from me on missing the travel.

Not only was she jammed up against the coach, but she was also straight-lined by ball handler in such a way that the official doesn't get a good look at the initial possession of the ball, as Raymond commented.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Clear travel upon catching the ball.

Nevadaref probably meant "clear" from the video viewer's angle. That's how I called the travel, and it was quite clear to me, but not clear from the viewpoint of the official.

[todd66]

At the 40 second mark of the video, the offensive player's arm is clearly fully extended to push off the defender. If it was just the chicken wing as the coach is suggesting then I could see a no call.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Minnesota State High School League Basketball Rule Modifications :Uniforms: The home team shall wear dark-colored uniforms and the visiting team white uniforms.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... play games in halves. Sixteen minutes for Minnesota subvarsity games.

Also restricted area (mandatory above grade nine, optional grade nine), some shot clocks (necessary equipment obviously needed and team agreement), running clock mercy rule (35 points last "quarter" of game), 14 foot coaching box, and apparel (wristbands, headbands, arm/knee sleeves, knee pads, compression shorts, tights) restricted to only solid black or white (I guess no jersey color, or beige allowed).

Why is ilyazhito posting under BillyMac's username?