Player removed jersey before leaving floor

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It wasn't direct, it was after similar actions continued to grow over the next few years.

It was a real issue in VB for a number of years around that time. My guess is that the NFHS decided that if they added it to one sport, they needed to add it to all sports (and then if they added it for one sex, they needed to add it for both sexes).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It was a real issue in VB for a number of years around that time.

In know more about metaphysics than I do about volleyball rules, but does this have anything to do with one player wearing a different color jersey (for reasons that bewilder me), as I've seen in some college volleyball games on television?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In know more about metaphysics than I do about volleyball rules, but does this have anything to do with one player wearing a different color jersey (for reasons that bewilder me), as I've seen in some college volleyball games on television?

No. It has to do with HS girls wearing warm-up tops and changing behind the bench out of (removing ) the warmup tops and into game jerseys. It wasn't a game jersey UNDER a "sweat shirt" like you see in basketball.

The libero wears a different color jersey for much the same reason a goalie in soccer does -- different rules apply and the referees (and opponents) need to be able to easily identify this person.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It has to do with HS girls wearing warm-up tops and changing behind the bench out of the warmup tops and into game jerseys. It wasn't a game jersey UNDER a "sweat shirt" like you see in basketball. The libero wears a different color jersey for much the same reason a goalie in soccer does -- different rules apply and the referees (and opponents) need to be able to easily identify this person.

Thank you and thank you.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

My guess is that the NFHS decided that if they added it to one sport, they needed to add it to all sports (and then if they added it for one sex, they needed to add it for both sexes).

I'm 99% sure that this stuff about removing part of the uniform was added to every NFHS rule book in the same year.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Altor

I'm 99% sure that this stuff about removing part of the uniform was added to every NFHS rule book in the same year.

That was my understanding as well. The NF takes rules or philosophy of rules and applies it across the board. Every new rule is reviewed by other committees to see if it fits like unsporting behavior or uniform standards.

Peace

[Indianaref]

This is the video

[JRutledge]

For the record, there is no rule at the NCAA level specifically calling this an unsporting act. It might be seen as one, but not at that level stated. It is stated at the NF level and I wish they would be more specific or state that it only applies to removing the jersey. Simply pulling out the jersey and not being disgusted or showing "disgustment" to me is a bridge too far. We should not be looking for this kind of stuff if they are not saying anything to us or not yelling at the top of their lungs. Let the coach handle them at this point if they are coming to the bench.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is stated at the NF level and I wish they would be more specific or state that it only applies to removing the jersey.

The NFHS high school rule, especially with the 2005-06 comment on the rule revision, makes the NFHS intent very clear.

10-4-6-H: A player must not: Removing the jersey and/or pants/skirt within the visual confines of the playing area.

Comments On The 2005-06 Rules Revisions: Jerseys/Pants/Skirts Prohibited From Being Removed (3-4-15, 10-3-7h, 10-4-1h): A team member is prohibited from removing his/her jersey and/or pants/skirt within the confines of the playing area. The penalty is a technical foul ... This addition also addresses a growing behavioral concern of players removing their jerseys to demonstrate frustration or anger and as a means of attracting individual attention. The rule is intended to be applied in all situations - even when a player must change uniforms due to blood or other unusual circumstances. It is not unreasonable to expect team members to go to their locker rooms to change their jerseys.

I know that I'm wrong, but I'm not a big fan of penalizing every time a jersey is temporarily removed for a not-unsporting reason (to comply with a rule), and will occasionally ignore such behavior.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

High school player fouls out and takes off his jersey and throws it in frustration directed at an official. Technical foul. Player is advised in layup line that he can't play with an an illegal undershirt and he quietly and politely goes over to his bench to remove it to comply with a rule and in doing so temporarily removes his jersey. My opinion, not the same as above (even if the NFHS says otherwise).

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm 100% wrong, but if I advise a player that he can't play with an illegal undershirt, I'm ignoring what happens next. Yeah. I know that we can easily advise that the player go to the locker room, but I'm still ignoring what happens next.