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For the number of times that an official may run into the end-of-game-delay situation in any given year, definitely worth review! A great example of knowing how to use the rule book to get out of trouble, not into it...
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Too many rule-based possibilities, often conflicting. Warning after delay. Technical foul after the warning for delay. "Instant" technical foul for preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play. "Instant" technical foul for unsporting acts not limited to ... Is "instant" technical foul for delay allowed by rule? Some are team technicals (preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play, unsporting, and delay of game), and some are player technicals (only preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play, and unsporting (not for delay of game)), further complicating matters. And then there are the "cast in stone" penalties (no discretion allowed): Crossing the boundary line and knocking the ball out of the inbounder's hands (technical foul), and crossing the boundary line and fouling the inbounder (intentional personal foul), and also tack on a delay warning in the book for either. And for added flavor throw in "more than five seconds" and "less than five seconds".
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But in this case it sounds like there were more than five seconds (slow-blow the warning if you must), and on top of that you had a home team player actively trying to get the ball for reasons unknown—probably just habitual hustle sans game awareness. So I like how we arrived at the solution of issuing a player technical in this case; it is very defendable by rule and the right choice to prevent escalation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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"Instant" technical foul for preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play? Fine choice. If chosen, team technical foul, or player technical foul? Both are rule options. How does one choose? The choice does impact player disqualification, so it's not just "academic"? I suggest it's a player technical foul. Or "instant" technical foul for unsporting acts not limited to ...? Another good choice. If chosen, team technical foul, or player technical foul? Both are rule options. How does one choose? The choice does impact player disqualification, so it's not just "academic"? I suggest it's a player technical foul. Or "instant" technical foul for delay? I'm not 100% sure that this choice is a rule (without a prior warning). Also, "delay" can only be a team (not player) technical foul.
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"Instant" technical foul for delay? I'm not 100% sure that is a rule without an earlier warning. Also, "delay" can only be a team (not player) technical foul. Be careful with the rule language.
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Rule 10-4-5 (Player Technical) Delay the game by acts such as: a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play
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"Delay" is my shorthand for: 10-2-1: Team Technical Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts: e. Interfering with the ball following a goal after any team warning for delay. I do not believe that there is a comparable version of this rule, listing four specific delay acts including "interfering", under Player Technical.
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Delay, Interfere, Prevent ...
In my opinion, we have four rule references to deal with such "delay/interfere/prevent" situations as described in this thread:
Team Warning A team warning is a warning to a team for delay for interfering with the ball following a goal. I call this the "delay warning" option (four specifics listed, including interfering). Only a team (not player) technical foul. Team Technical Foul Teams shall not allow the game to develop into an actionless contest including interfering with the ball following a goal after any team warning for delay. I call this the "delay technical" (four specifics listed including interfering) option. By rule, there must be a warning. Only a team (not player) technical foul. Team Technical Foul Or Player Technical Foul Teams and players shall not delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play. I call this the "prevent" option. Team technical foul or player technical foul. I suggest that a player (rather than a team) technical foul is more appropriate (it matters because of disqualification). Team Technical Foul Or Player Technical Foul Teams and players shall not commit unsporting fouls (not limited to). I call this the "unsporting" option. Team technical foul or player technical foul. I suggest that a player (rather than a team) technical foul is more appropriate (it matters because of disqualification). Which rule do we use? Ay, there’s the rub!
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Someone will have to check all the particulars, but if the delay is due to ONE PLAYER make it a player technical foul. If more than one player, make it a TEAM technical. The "T after warning" falls into the later category because we don't know that teh same player will commit both the "warning act" and the "technical act."
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Exactly why the warning for delay for interfering with the ball following a goal (or any of the other three specific delay acts listed), and the technical foul for delay for interfering with the ball following a goal (or any of the other three specific delay acts listed), is always warned and/or charged to the team (never to a player).
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9.2.10.A: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. I call this the "five second" option.
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Ball Or Thrower ...
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9.2.10 SITUATION A: ... an interfering with the ball following a goal if in any way interferes with the thrower’s efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. There's a slight wording difference between interfering with the ball following a goal and interfering with the thrower’s efforts to make a throw-in. If a defender is interfering with the thrower’s efforts to make a throw-in, is that a violation of interfering with the ball following a goal, preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play, or is it unsporting? I say no (because of the word ball in the rule), yes, and yes. Narrows it down to two choices. Both can be (and probably should be) player technical fouls. Same penalties. Either should suffice to deal with this situation. I prefer delaying the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play because, like the caseplay, it has the word "delay" in it.
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10-4-5-A: A player must not: Delay the game by acts such as: Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.
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