Fun With A Block And Maybe A Charge ...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

That PC foul was gonna happen regardless, and I'm not sure the push from behind is enough for me to not be able to sell PC. If those are my two choices, I'll agree with the call that was made.

Agree....and I'm not even sure he was really pushed from behind. More of a touch.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... not even sure he was really pushed from behind. More of a touch.

Certainly not a gigantic push, but the shooter was hit in the head by the defenders's elbow. Certainly could have been ruled incidental contact. One won't get any argument from me.

Ponder this. Forget about the player control foul for now (assume defender was never there), was the contact by the defender from behind alone enough to charge a foul and have the shooter shoot two free throws?

The Lead thought so, and made the "push from behind" call. Was he in good position to do so? Did the Center have a better look, and did he pass on the "push from behind" call as incidental contact, or was he more concerned with how Blue #32 was wearing his mask?

Now ponder this. Once the the "push from behind" call was made (as it actually was, correctly or incorrectly), doesn't one also have to call the "easy" player control foul? The ball was still live (continuous motion, airborne shooter) when this player control contact occurred.

Does one ignore the "easy" player control contact because ruling a false double foul in this situation is overly officious and would be difficult to explain to a complaining coach?

Further more, what if the ball had gone in the basket (yikes), and a false double foul had been called, creating an instant dead ball? No basket, and two free throws? Have fun explaining that to a complaining coach as you invite him to take a seat on the bench, or on the cold bus in the parking lot. Maybe both coaches?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Once the the "push from behind" call was made (as it actually was, correctly or incorrectly), doesn't one also have to call the "easy" player control foul? The ball was still live (continuous motion, airborne shooter) when this player control contact occurred.

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

That PC foul was gonna happen regardless ...

What if the "push from behind" foul was so severe (which it definitely wasn't) that it changed the path of the shooter who then charged into the defender (he probably would have missed contacting the defender had he not been severely pushed)? If so, would it then be appropriate and correct to ignore the player control live ball contact? Citation? Intent and purpose?