pregame dunk

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

"Son, that's a T. Listen up, everybody, don't dunk!".

Originally Posted by LRZ

... in a conversational tone.

Are the players down the other end of the court going to be warned with this statement in a conversational tone over the music blaring throughout the gym?

Again, I'm not a big fan of the pregame dunking whistle, nor am I to willing to ignore 10.5.1 SITUATION E and be the first one on my block to do it, but, like Altor, I see some value in it, and I wouldn't take my whistle and go home if the interpretation was changed.

[LRZ]

What the hell are you talking about?

Jeez, I should have known better than to interject into one of your conversations with yourself. Either you have no common sense, you enjoy splitting hairs, or you are a troll. When you wondered why traffic here seems to have tapered off, look in the mirror.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I should have known better than to interject into one of your conversations with yourself.

While I have been known to reply to my own posts after further reflection, this is not the case here. All of my posts in this thread, even a single back-to-back, have been replies to other members posts.

Bottom line. I'm not a big fan of the pregame dunking whistle, nor is the NFHS, but I see some value (as does Altor) in it because it may prevent a subsequent "violation". While I agree with LRZ that warning (before or after charging a technical foul) players in a layup line in a conversational tone is a good preventative measure (for many issues, not just pregame dunking), it only works for those within earshot (in a gym with blasting music). A whistle (again, I'm not a fan) sounded will be a preventative measure for everybody in the gym, not only those that are within conversational tone earshot ("Hey. Look down there. He got T-ed up for dunking. We should be more careful".)

I'm not looking to T-up players for pregame dunking, I will try to prevent pregame dunking from happening, but if I have to T-up players, I will.

Maybe Texans have the right idea?

[Altor]

Originally Posted by LRZ

What the hell are you talking about?

It's my fault. This is one of those times where I simply disagree with a rule or case (or in this case, a single sentence fragment within a case). I pointed out my disagreement.

Do what you need to do and what you feel is best after reading the appropriate materials from the NFHS and your assignors.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

It's my fault.

No need to fall on your sword. It was a good point that had some value regarding preventative officiating.

Originally Posted by Altor

Do what you need to do and what you feel is best after reading the appropriate materials from the NFHS and your assignors.

Ain't that the gospel truth.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While I have been known to reply to my own posts after further reflection, this is not the case here. All of my posts in this thread, even a single back-to-back, have been replies to other members posts.

Bottom line. I'm not a big fan of the pregame dunking whistle, nor is the NFHS, but I see some value (as does Altor) in it because it may prevent a subsequent "violation". While I agree with LRZ that warning (before or after charging a technical foul) players in a layup line in a conversational tone is a good preventative measure (for many issues, not just pregame dunking), it only works for those within earshot (in a gym with blasting music). A whistle (again, I'm not a fan) sounded will be a preventative measure for everybody in the gym, not only those that are within conversational tone earshot ("Hey. Look down there. He got T-ed up for dunking. We should be more careful".)

I'm not looking to T-up players for pregame dunking, I will try to prevent pregame dunking from happening, but if I have to T-up players, I will.

Maybe Texans have the right idea?

I've gone almost 20 years without sounding my whistle nor seeing anyone else sound their whistle. The 3-4 times I've been involved in games where players were T'd for dunking (including one D1 game before the rule change), the players were well aware officials were standing right there on the sidelines.

Now we need to announce ourselves with whistles all of a sudden?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I've gone almost 20 years without sounding my whistle nor seeing anyone else sound their whistle. The 3-4 times I've been involved in games where players were T'd for dunking, the players were well aware officials were standing right there on the sidelines.

Forty years for me. Exactly the same thing.

Originally Posted by Raymond

Now we need to announce ourselves with whistles all of a sudden?

Altor's casebook interpretation comment wasn't about "announce(ing) ourselves", rather it was about announcing (by whistle) the actual technical foul. Texas is the only place I know of that announces themselves with a pregame "entering the court" whistle.

I'll just continue follow 10.5.1 SITUATION E, as I've been doing, and as my local colleagues have been doing, for forty years.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I've gone almost 20 years without sounding my whistle nor seeing anyone else sound their whistle. The 3-4 times I've been involved in games where players were T'd for dunking (including one D1 game before the rule change), the players were well aware officials were standing right there on the sidelines.

Now we need to announce ourselves with whistles all of a sudden?

Well, the ultimate problem is that there is a rule that is clear and the coaches for some dumb reason never address it. So you see officials do all kinds of things to not have to call a T anyway they can. I am in support of all of it personally if it gets you over. Part of it too is that even when you see it, we have to argue about it with someone. Either the coach that saw it on the other team or the coach of the team that did it.

I had to call it at the beginning of the season last year. I did not personally see it, but I heard it for sure. And it took the next 5 minutes to tell the coach he had to sit down and he wanted me to "give him a break."

I am good with whatever people want to do here and I have done both. In some situations, if I do not do it that way we will have multiple Ts because silly coaches never address this with their teams.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... he wanted me to "give him a break."

Arm, leg, or neck?

[SNIPERBBB]

Working with a guy the other day that reported a story to me about a crew that Td up a kid for pregame dunking. Problem was they were in the locker room and someone part of either the coaching or game admin staff came in with video of said dunking. They went out and issued the T based on the video.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Working with a guy the other day that reported a story to me about a crew that Td up a kid for pregame dunking. Problem wax they were in the locker room and someone part of either the coaching or game admin staff came in with video of said dunking. They went out and issued the T based on the video.

I've got an opposite story about a crew that exited to the locker room after a game, well outside the visual confines of the court, and were convinced by a coach and athletic director to come back out to the the gym to fix a scoring error that, in the end, overturned the result of the game. One of the officials was a guy that I often worked with and I considered him to be a very good official, who's day job was that of a highly respected attorney, so he was not a stupid person. I felt bad for him, the newspaper story named him and the story made all the large statewide newspapers, not just the local newspaper.

[SNIPERBBB]

That's why it's good practice in the final minute of a close game during timeouts to go over and try to head off a potential issue. Especially if you've had some odd sequences that could of led to scoring confusion.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I wish you'd stop channeling Mark Padgett; it's rarely amusing.

Actually I get a chuckle out of the nostalgia of hot mom jokes from time to time.

Originally Posted by LRZ

What the hell are you talking about?



Jeez, I should have known better than to interject into one of your conversations with yourself. Either you have no common sense, you enjoy splitting hairs, or you are a troll. When you wondered why traffic here seems to have tapered off, look in the mirror.

Bully.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

That's why it's good practice in the final minute of a close game during timeouts to go over and try to head off a potential issue.

Unless it's forty-point blowout, great advice.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Unless it's forty-point blowout, great advice.

That's why he said "close game" in his post. It's something I've been doing for years, even when I'm not the 'R'.