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[SC Official]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Rule 2-6: "No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties."

Setting aside the T's poor positioning and lack of hustle, let me play devil's advocate: how do you (the L) know you are right (no contact) and he is wrong ("I had a good angle and I saw contact")?

My approach might be something like this: "I had a good angle, close to the play, and I had a clean play. What did you see from mid-court/30 feet away?" You might have to live with his call and let him go or stay table-side, then block him on Arbiter.

In the OP you said there was "six inches between the two," implying there was zero contact. By rule if there is no contact there cannot be a foul. If there's any contact whatsoever, then let him live and die with it. But I'm not letting some career first-year official decide the game with his laziness and idiotic play-calling. And as much as we try and say "we should officiate the same way the entire game," the reality is that an incorrect call at the end of the game is exponentially more consequential than one in the first quarter.

Kinda reminds me of the video a couple years ago posted to this forum where the one of the officials stepped over the other official administering a throw-in to call a 5-second violation. Sorry, but I am not allowing that in my game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Kinda reminds me of the video a couple years ago posted to this forum where the one of the officials stepped over the other official administering a throw-in to call a 5-second violation.

Nice reference. An oldie but goodie. It would be nice if somebody could find this for the new guys.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Kinda reminds me of the video a couple years ago posted to this forum where the one of the officials stepped over the other official administering a throw-in to call a 5-second violation. Sorry, but I am not allowing that in my game.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Nice reference. An oldie but goodie. It would be nice if somebody could find this for the new guys.

Rich knows where that video is.


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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Rich knows where that video is.

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Although, he'd rather not know.

[BigT]

This official had 10 years in two different states. He doesn't really listen to anyone and looks for chances to confront coaches and try to convince them all he is right.

She only made 1 of 2 and OT was averted. Its a rare situation and his partner wanted to know from you guys if there was an by the book option.

It sounds like no. You can only hope to intercept him and convince him that the big boss is going to continue to hurt his schedule if he does this $%>! again.

Thanks for the help again..

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BigT

This official had 10 years in two different states. He doesn't really listen to anyone and looks for chances to confront coaches and try to convince them all he is right.

She only made 1 of 2 and OT was averted. Its a rare situation and his partner wanted to know from you guys if there was an by the book option.

It sounds like no. You can only hope to intercept him and convince him that the big boss is going to continue to hurt his schedule if he does this $%>! again.

Thanks for the help again..

I wouldn't even mention the assigner to him. What good is it going to do if he's not receptive to criticism?

I would call the assigner and ask not to work with him again. Enough officials do that, and your assigner will have a choice to make.

[LRZ]

"I would call the assigner and ask not to work with him again. Enough officials do that, and your assigner will have a choice to make."

Agreed. I would definitely call my assigner on the way home. I'm certain that the assigner would then follow up, possibly contacting the coach. If enough officials block the guy and enough coaches complain about the guy, he might find himself next season with a full schedule--of 8th grade games!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by WhistlesAndStripes

The disaster being the possible overtime period that may occur.

Do officials all over the world pretend that they hate overtimes?

Or is it just here in my little corner of Connecticut?

Really? Don't we all love the excitement and pressure of an overtime game?

It's was very common, almost mandatory, for varsity officials here in my little corner of Connecticut (in the past when varsity officials use to rate junior varsity officials) to "yank the chain" of junior varsity officials after a one point non-overtime junior varsity game by saying, "Good thing you guys didn't go to overtime, it would have cost both of you a rating point".

As if starting the varsity game on time is more important that the outcome of the preceding junior varsity game.

So we all get home ten minutes late and miss the beginning of Murder, She Wrote. I think that Angela Lansbury can solve the murder without us.

As if officials are supposed to control the outcome of a game.

It's funny. Most, if not all, of us probably don't really mean it. But it's still not a good look for officials.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

And as much as we try and say "we should officiate the same way the entire game," the reality is that an incorrect call at the end of the game is exponentially more consequential than one in the first quarter...

... because the offended team doesn't have the time to make up and overcome the blown call.

[LRZ]

I'll continue to play devil's advocate.

Let's assume that T is a typical "career first-year official." More likely than not, he would probably respond to the L's "thumbs up" by loudly insisting, "I got a foul."

What is Plan B if an argument between the two officials ensues?

Rich, do you ever wish that video would incinerate? Did your partner* suffer any consequences?

*Well, more accurately, not your "partner," but the "other guy."

[BillyMac]

... comic on the Forum.

Originally Posted by LRZ

What is Plan B if an argument between the two officials ensues?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I'll continue to play devil's advocate.

Let's assume that T is a typical "career first-year official." More likely than not, he would probably respond to the L's "thumbs up" by loudly insisting, "I got a foul."

"Are you sure you want to dig your own grave?"

Loud enough for the offended coach to hear. I want him to know I'm on his side for when he inevitably calls the assigner.

I admit I'm probably don't have the best perspective to answer this question. All the career first-year officials in my HS association are doing subvarsity exclusively - and I would turn back the game before working with any of them. And in college games, you simply would not ever have a situation like this.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

And in college games, you simply would not ever have a situation like this.

Don't know much about college officiating, it's probably not relevant, I'm just trying to be funny.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

"Are you sure you want to dig your own grave?" Loud enough for the offended coach to hear. I want him to know I'm on his side for when he inevitably calls the assigner.

Not a good look for all concerned (officials, coaches, players, fans, assigner, local association).

We should try to keep the bickering in the locker room (if there absolutely must be bickering).



Note: My local association did once have an actual fist fight break out at our end of the year banquet. Combatants had to be physically restrained. And yes, there was an open bar for the entire night.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not a good look for all concerned (officials, coaches, players, fans, assigner, local association).

We should try to keep the bickering in the locker room (if there absolutely must be bickering).



Note: My local association did once have an actual fist fight break out at our end of the year banquet. Combatants had to be physically restrained. And yes, there was an open bar for the entire night.

Never said I was bickering. Giving him a chance to back off his mistake or else he digs his own grave and I'm not taking the fall for him.