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GV game. 2 man. Visitors are down 2 points drop it into the low block. L is 2 feet away looking between Defender and post player. Partner barely steps into the frontcourt. Post player turns goes straight up and shoots. Defender jumps straight up. 6 inches between the two no foul girl misses. Trail calls phantom foul from mid-court.
Is it possible to do a partner conference and tell him to report an inadvertent whistle and go AP? Or are you putting a girl on the line to possible go OT. Yeah this was 4th quarter with 2 seconds on the clock when the shooter shoots. Thanks in advance, |
You can have a quick partner conference, but it’s ultimate up to your partner to change his call to an IW.
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If he agrees to not report you could conference both coaches explain the IW and explain what you are doing next and by rule you could avoid disaster.
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I would tell the Trail "There was no contact and no foul, we're going with an inadvertent whistle and the arrow." I wouldn't even let him get a word in before I'm hitting my whistle with my thumbs up.
I dare him to call the assigner. |
Rule 2-6: "No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties."
Setting aside the T's poor positioning and lack of hustle, let me play devil's advocate: how do you (the L) know you are right (no contact) and he is wrong ("I had a good angle and I saw contact")? My approach might be something like this: "I had a good angle, close to the play, and I had a clean play. What did you see from mid-court/30 feet away?" You might have to live with his call and let him go or stay table-side, then block him on Arbiter. |
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Kinda reminds me of the video a couple years ago posted to this forum where the one of the officials stepped over the other official administering a throw-in to call a 5-second violation. Sorry, but I am not allowing that in my game. |
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If the trail was spanking brand new (as new as a dew drop on a leaf at twilight), or the worst official on my board (not the sharpest tool in the shed), especially if it was very late in a close game (as in the original post), I would never overturn his call (see LRZ's Rule 2-6). Rather, I would intercept him and stop him on the way to the reporting area and have a short conference, starting with me saying, "What did you see? Did you get a good look at that?". If he says something like, "Since she missed I figured that there must have been some contact.", I'll respond with, "Well I had a great angle and this is what I saw ...", and offer my partner the chance to change his call (inadvertent whistle), but only if he want to. On the other hand, if he responds confidently, "The shooter got slapped on the arm from behind.", I'm responding, "Nice call. Thanks for the help" and let him report the foul while I go and line up the rebounders and find the shooter as any good non-calling partner should. If the trail is the worst official on my board (not the the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree), and the call was in the beginning of the second period (not as in the original post), I'm probably doing nothing other than thinking to myself, "Well, he blew that one. Hopefully it will be his last blown call of the game". If he's spanking brand new (as new as the dawn), and the call was in the beginning of the second period (not as in the original post), and the rookie official has some potential to be a good official, I probably would, at halftime, or after the game, in the locker room, broach the subject about making calls outside of one's primary coverage area (be late, be right, be needed). |
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I'll continue to play devil's advocate.
Let's assume that T is a typical "career first-year official." More likely than not, he would probably respond to the L's "thumbs up" by loudly insisting, "I got a foul." What is Plan B if an argument between the two officials ensues? Rich, do you ever wish that video would incinerate? Did your partner* suffer any consequences? *Well, more accurately, not your "partner," but the "other guy." |
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Loud enough for the offended coach to hear. I want him to know I'm on his side for when he inevitably calls the assigner. I admit I'm probably don't have the best perspective to answer this question. All the career first-year officials in my HS association are doing subvarsity exclusively - and I would turn back the game before working with any of them. And in college games, you simply would not ever have a situation like this. |
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We should try to keep the bickering in the locker room (if there absolutely must be bickering). https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.F...=0&w=300&h=300 Note: My local association did once have an actual fist fight break out at our end of the year banquet. Combatants had to be physically restrained. And yes, there was an open bar for the entire night. |
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