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Old Mon Feb 16, 2009, 05:13pm
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What are my options?

"Live ball" Offensive player swings elbows and makes contact with defender.
These are all the situational fouls that I could think of, Am I missing any? Thanks

*Player cotrol foul: defensive teams ball, nearest spot.

*Intentional foul: defensive player that was fouled shoots two, defense gets ball POI

*Flagrent: ejection, defense shoots two with player of there choice, defense gets ball back at half court.
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Old Mon Feb 16, 2009, 05:21pm
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Sounds like your choices with any foul. Why the difference with this one?
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"Live ball" Offensive player swings elbows and makes contact with defender.
These are all the situational fouls that I could think of, Am I missing any? Thanks

*Player cotrol foul: defensive teams ball, nearest spot.

*Intentional foul: defensive player that was fouled shoots two, defense gets ball POI

*Flagrent: ejection, defense shoots two with player of there choice, defense gets ball back at half court.
Nope - you've got them all. As with any live ball contact foul by the ball carrier...
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Old Mon Feb 16, 2009, 05:31pm
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Nope - you've got them all. As with any live ball contact foul by the ball carrier...
Do you throw the yellow flag before signaling the foul?
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Old Mon Feb 16, 2009, 05:42pm
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you use the phrase, "nearest spot"

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"Live ball" Offensive player swings elbows and makes contact with defender.
These are all the situational fouls that I could think of, Am I missing any? Thanks

*Player control foul: defensive teams ball, nearest spot.

*Intentional foul: defensive player that was fouled shoots two, defense gets ball POI

*Flagrent: ejection, defense shoots two with player of there choice, defense gets ball back at half court.
apply it to your 2nd and 3rd options:
Fed rules:
Player Control: Opponent awarded a throw-in at spot nearest the foul.
Intentional Foul: Opponent awarded two FTs with lane cleared, awarded a throw-in at spot nearest the foul.
Flagrant personal foul: Opponent awarded two FTs with lane cleared, awarded a throw-in at spot nearest the foul.
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Do you throw the yellow flag before signaling the foul?
I started working both sports only 1 year apart. (Basketball came first.) Back in the day, I was guilty of marking forward progress when a dribbler stepped on a sideline, and another time I waived my arms to stop the clock.
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I started working both sports only 1 year apart. (Basketball came first.) Back in the day, I was guilty of marking forward progress when a dribbler stepped on a sideline, and another time I waived my arms to stop the clock.
A long, long time ago, I also did park district softball and basketball. During one basketball game in the fall, there was one long pass down the sideline that ended up OOB, so I called a foul ball and pointed foul. Iirc, no one batted an eye, as most of those players also played softball.
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"Intentional Foul: Opponent awarded two FTs with lane cleared, awarded a throw-in at spot nearest the foul."

Trying to clear up a brain fart. On a intentional foul can anyone on the defensive team shoot the free throws?
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Old Mon Feb 16, 2009, 06:14pm
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"Intentional Foul: Opponent awarded two FTs with lane cleared, awarded a throw-in at spot nearest the foul."

Trying to clear up a brain fart. On a intentional foul can anyone on the defensive team shoot the free throws?
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Nope, it has to be the player who was fouled (or their replacement).
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"Intentional Foul: Opponent awarded two FTs with lane cleared, awarded a throw-in at spot nearest the foul."

Trying to clear up a brain fart. On a intentional foul can anyone on the defensive team shoot the free throws?
Thanks
Intentional, also for the Flagrant Personal foul.
Both have FTs awarded to the player who was fouled.

It helps me to remember that these are personal fouls, just like any personal foul.

If it was a hold or a block, where would the ball come in? Spot nearest the foul.
Who would shoot if in the bonus or while shooting? The player who was fouled.

All are in the same category, just an extra penalty for intentional and flagrant.
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Old Mon Feb 16, 2009, 06:57pm
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"Intentional Foul: Opponent awarded two FTs with lane cleared, awarded a throw-in at spot nearest the foul."

Trying to clear up a brain fart. On a intentional foul can anyone on the defensive team shoot the free throws?
Thanks

Not enough information to answer.

On an Intentional Personal foul, the player who was fouled must shoot (unless injured, etc.)

On an Intentional Technical foul, any eligible team member may shoot.

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I thought shots for a flagrant personal had to be shot by the fouled player, but I can't find it.
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I thought shots for a flagrant personal had to be shot by the fouled player, but I can't find it.
8-2. FT's for a personal foul to be shot by offended player or sub, or teammate if no sub is available.

No special provision for flagrant personal.
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Old Tue Feb 17, 2009, 08:09am
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On an Intentional Flagran foul, any eligible team member may shoot.
So much for always listening to bob.

I'm sure that what bob meant to type, but didn't because his mind was going faster than his fingers, was that the offended player (or his/her sub if an injury occurs) must attempt the free throws for ANY personal foul, including those which are intentional or flagrant. However, any eligible team member may attempt the free throws awarded for a technical foul, including those which are intentional or flagrant.
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but didn't because his mind was going faster than his fingers,

That and the fact that I was just about finished testing a new (to me) drink recipe.
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