West Virginia-Gonzaga

[JRutledge]

Play #1:



Play #2:



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I think the the next B/C play a on the next possession or two is a good one for comparison but I couldnt tell if it was RA or not.

[Raymond]

On first play, yes, that's a backcourt as there was PC&TC, TC did not change, offense was last to touch in FC, and first to touch in BC.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

On first play, yes, that's a backcourt as there was PC&TC, TC did not change, offense was last to touch in FC, and first to touch in BC.

So are you saying that this is still a violation at the NCAA level even though it was a loose ball caused by the defense? I have to go look at the rule again because I was kind of confused considering the BC rule only seemed to deal with a play in the FC that goes in the BC.

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So are you saying that this is still a violation at the NCAA level even though it was a loose ball caused by the defense? I have to go look at the rule again because I was kind of confused considering the BC rule only seemed to deal with a play in the FC that goes in the BC.



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Oh yeah, I guess that aspect would still apply. I felt like I was forgetting something in my beakdown of the play.

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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Oh yeah, I guess that aspect would still apply. I felt like I was forgetting something in my beakdown of the play.

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On this play, does it matter that the ball was loose / deflected from the BC?

Does NCAAM require LGP before the offensive player leaves the floor or before he starts any upward motion?

imo, These plays are easy BC and PC in FED and NCAAW,

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

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Does NCAAM require LGP before the offensive player leaves the floor or before he starts any upward motion?



imo, These plays are easy BC and PC in FED and NCAAW,

At one time there was an upward motion aspect to the player control foul, but that was eliminated.



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[Camron Rust]

As the BCV rule is written, it would indeed be a BCV.

However, I'm going to suggest that the intent of the rule would be otherwise. The rule is written for the common situation, not some bizarre thing like this. I'm OK with a person not calling a violation here in NCAA as the clear intent of the rule was to not penalize the offensive team for a lose ball that is loose because of a defensive bat/deflection.

[JRutledge]

I wanted to update my correspondence with the NCA on this play.

I emailed JD Collings a few days ago looking for clarification. He emailed me back and said that he would pass this off to Art Hyland in the email to answer as to whether this was a BC violation in NCAA Rules.

Art then responded yesterday and said that he felt this was not a BC violation. Mr. Hyland said that he felt that the rules did not consider this situation to take place in the BC and then go to the FC. So as a result this is basically in the spirit of the rules that were written in the past. So this was ruled properly and was not called a violation and the NCAA supports that position.

I would not be surprised if there is an editorial change or either case plays that will support that ruling by Art.

But I thought we should know what is proper here. Also, this is under NF rules still a BC violation by all accounts as team control was still in the hands of the WVU team IMO.

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