College 28 Foot Hash Mark ...

[Raymond]

There is no reason given in the rules, but it is on the diagram for required markings.

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[bob jenkins]

I *think* it was put there so officials could more easily see when the coach was beyond the (old) coaching box -- and today, maybe, so officials can more easily see when others are beyond the bench area.

[JRutledge]

Isn't the coaching box supposed to be within the 28-foot mark and the end line if used?

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Isn't the coaching box supposed to be within the 28-foot mark and the end line if used?

Peace

NCAAW (and I thought NCAAM, but I don't know) expanded the coaching box (but not he bench area) to 38' a few years ago. There's a separate line on the floor for that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NCAAW (and I thought NCAAM, but I don't know) expanded the coaching box (but not he bench area) to 38' a few years ago. There's a separate line on the floor for that.

Yes, but I was not talking about the NF Rule. I thought he was asking is why there is a 28-foot mark for high school.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NFHS did away with all rules (delay of game, five second closely guarded, etc.) needing the 28 foot hash mark painted inbounds on the high school court many, many years ago.

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, I occasionally see some 28 foot hash marks inbounds on high school courts, often on middle school courts.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why is there a 28 foot hash mark painted inbounds on the college court?

Originally Posted by SC Official

The 28-foot marks (there’s supposed to be a small tickmark opposite table, also) are two of the four throw-in spots for all frontcourt throw-ins (except OOB) in NCAA-M.

Originally Posted by Raymond

There is no reason given in the rules, but it is on the diagram for required markings.

One reply that states that there are such NCAA rules, another reply that says that there aren't such NCAA rules.

SC Official: Can you please cite the NCAA rule?

I've found NCAA basketball court diagrams online that only show these inbound hash marks only on the table side. If they are used as four different throwin spots, shouldn't they be on both sides of the court?

And if they're throwin spots, shouldn't they be out of bounds?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NFHS did away with all rules (delay of game, five second closely guarded, etc.) needing the 28 foot hash mark painted inbounds on the high school court many, many years ago.

Young'uns: Back in ancient times, these four hash marks had a real purpose in high school games.

One was regarding a five second closely guarded count. If a dribbler was close to a five second closely guarded dribbling count violation he could get a new count by dribbling forward past the 28 foot hash mark extended. Under certain conditions, between holding and dribbling a ball handler could avoid a closely guarded violation for up to sixteen seconds (unlike today's twelve seconds).

Another was for delay of game. Under certain conditions, stalling offensive teams were required to move the ball past the 28 foot hash mark extended, and stalling defensive teams were required to come out and play defense (closely guarded) past the 28 foot hash mark extended.

There's a lot more to the ancient times delay of game rule. I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. will be moseying by shortly to give us all the details.



Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is #5, he's not the fastest moseyer in the West. But isn't that the point of moseying? He may actually be "winning" the race.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

One reply that states that there are such NCAA rules, another reply that says that there aren't such NCAA rules.

SC Official: Can you please cite the NCAA rule?

I've found NCAA basketball court diagrams online that only show these inbound hash marks only on the table side. If they are used as four different throwin spots, shouldn't they be on both sides of the court?

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/cha...urtDiagram.pdf

This is the most recent NCAA court diagram. You can see that there is a smaller 28-foot tickmark opposite table. You can also see the two tickmarks on the endline. Those three marks along with the "big" 28-foot line tableside are the four throw-in spots for all frontcourt throw-ins except those after OOB violations.

I don't have time to scour the book but if you want to read more about the lines of demarcation and the throw-in spots you can look in Rule 7.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

You can also see the two tickmarks on the endline. Those three marks along with the "big" 28-foot line tableside are the four throw-in spots for all frontcourt throw-ins except those after OOB violations ...

So these endline tickmarks have a throwin purpose? I thought they were for the Lower Defensive Box used in NCAA women's rules.

The Lower Defensive Box also referred to as the LDB is an imaginary box on the floor that uses four marks the two tick marks on the endline and both second Lane space marks on the free-throw Lane as reference points this box is used to determine a player control or blocking foul on a secondary defender located in the restricted area when a player with the ball starts her move from within the LDB there is no restricted area otherwise when a player with the ball starts her move from outside the LDB the restricted area rule is still in effect.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So these endline tickmarks have a throwin purpose? I thought they were for the Lower Defensive Box used in NCAA women's rules.

The Lower Defensive Box also referred to as the LDB is an imaginary box on the floor that uses four marks the two tick marks on the endline and both second Lane space marks on the free-throw Lane as reference points this box is used to determine a player control or blocking foul on a secondary defender located in the restricted area when a player with the ball starts her move from within the LDB there is no restricted area otherwise when a player with the ball starts her move from outside the LDB the restricted area rule is still in effect.

They are for the women's LDB and when the new rule came out they told us to use those marks as a guide for the endline demarcation throw-ins. I actually don't know if men's "requires" those tickmarks but those are the marks we are told to use. And since almost all college floors are used for men's and women's games that wasn't a problem.

And I believe NCAA-W has since adopted the men's rule about lines of demarcation and throw-in spots.

[JBleach85]

First, I just wanted to let everyone know that all of the information I am providing is for NCAA-W.

The 28-foot mark is there as a guideline for the bench area when a timeout is granted. This area is from the 28-foot line to end line and goes from the chair area to first lane line closest to the teams bench. As for the tick marks opposite of the 28-foot mark those are used for the opition to advance when the offense calls a timeout under 59.9. Also, it serves a dual purpopse for a throw when there is a kick ball by the defense and a single foul by the defense in which the offense has a throw in.

The LDB, Lower Defensive Box, tick marks are used for the kick/fisted ball by the defense and a single foul committed by the defense.

All throw-ins will occur at one of the four spots, 28-foot mark, 28-foot mark opposotie of the bench, two LDB tick mraks, closes to where the said violation or foul took place. The use of the diagram that was in place regarding throw-ins still is used. These spots are just where they take place.

I hope this information helps.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JBleach85

First, I just wanted to let everyone know that all of the information I am providing is for NCAA-W.

The 28-foot mark is there as a guideline for the bench area when a timeout is granted. This area is from the 28-foot line to end line and goes from the chair area to first lane line closest to the teams bench. As for the tick marks opposite of the 28-foot mark those are used for the opition to advance when the offense calls a timeout under 59.9. Also, it serves a dual purpopse for a throw when there is a kick ball by the defense and a single foul by the defense in which the offense has a throw in.

The LDB, Lower Defensive Box, tick marks are used for the kick/fisted ball by the defense and a single foul committed by the defense.

All throw-ins will occur at one of the four spots, 28-foot mark, 28-foot mark opposotie of the bench, two LDB tick mraks, closes to where the said violation or foul took place. The use of the diagram that was in place regarding throw-ins still is used. These spots are just where they take place.

I hope this information helps.

The 28 foot marks are used in Men's basketball for throw-in spots on the sideline for all throw-ins except out of bounds violations (goes to the spot of the violation in that case). And the tick marks on the endline are used for marking of the "post area" where some contact can be different than outside the area. So both markings have a purpose in the NCAA Men's side.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JBleach85

I hope this information helps.

Sure does. Thanks JBleach85.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I don't have time to scour the book but if you want to read more about the lines of demarcation and the throw-in spots you can look in Rule 7.

Thanks SC Official.

2017-18 NCAA Rule Changes: Fans will notice that throw-in spots will occur from more consistent spots in the frontcourt when the offensive team retains possession after a nonshooting foul or other stoppages in the game.

The location of all throw-ins in the frontcourt will be determined by an imaginary line drawn from the corner of the court to the intersection of the lane line and the free-throw line. If the stoppage of play is inside this area, the throw-in will occur on the end line 3 feet outside the lane line.

If the stoppage occurs outside this area, the throw-in will be at the nearer sideline at the 28-foot mark. Deflections will continue to be put back in play at the nearest out-of-bounds spot. Throw-ins in the back court will continue to be at the nearest spot.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... The location of all throw-ins in the frontcourt will be determined by an imaginary line drawn from the corner of the court to the intersection of the lane line and the free-throw line ...

Does the NCAA also use the Rocket Ship Diagram to decide endline or sideline (ignore the extra NFHS arrows and add some NCAA hash marks)?

The Rocket Ship Diagram © 2009, Back In The Saddle



Note: It sure feels great to post about basketball rules on the Forum instead of posting on social justice issues, or the coronavirus. I sure hope that we have high school basketball this upcoming season here in Connecticut. The only indoor fall sport in Connecticut is girls volleyball and the CIAC and the State Department of Health is requiring that volleyball players wear masks at all times, even when playing. Could the same mask rules apply to basketball in the winter?

Meanwhile, some school systems/schools/grades/classrooms in Connecticut have had to temporarily close (moving to online learning) due to COVID cases. If COVID has this effect on curricular activities, what effect will we see on extracurricular activities, especially when people start moving back indoors as the weather gets colder?