High school shot clock?

[Altor]

Originally Posted by ODog

No, an official will not do this. Just a trained shot-clock operator, as in a college game.

I guess I'm going to be "that guy" now.

By rule (NCAA and NCAAW Rule 2), the scorers, timers, and shot clock operators ARE officials. They may not be wearing stripes, well trained, or belong to an officials association, but they most definitely are officials.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Altor

I guess I'm going to be "that guy" now.

By rule (NCAA and NCAAW Rule 2), the scorers, timers, and shot clock operators ARE officials. They may not be wearing stripes, well trained, or belong to an officials association, but they most definitely are officials.

They are under NFHS rules to...also Rule 2, Section 1 "GAME AND TABLE OFFICIALS".

[Kansas Ref]

Should be revised to state: "game and table Personnel".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Altor

I guess I'm going to be "that guy" now.

By rule (NCAA and NCAAW Rule 2), the scorers, timers, and shot clock operators ARE officials. They may not be wearing stripes, well trained, or belong to an officials association, but they most definitely are officials.

I will be that guy in return.

It does not require an officials or state license to do that job. So yes by rule they are considered officials, but anyone off the street can do that job and there are no consequences for them not being licensed. At least with most of us. Maybe not in the state where this was first mentioned, but the school does the hiring for this position in the vast majority of these cases.

Peace

[Altor]

I don't disagree with any of that. In fact, that's pretty much exactly what I said.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Altor

I don't disagree with any of that. In fact, that's pretty much exactly what I said.

But you do realize that those were stating that they are not officials was not saying what they are considered by rules? The issue again is that most places do not ask licensed officials to do these things. But that is rare in a few cases. Just pointing out the difference.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

The NCAAW (and, I assume, NCAAM) rule book have the timer / scorer as officials by including them as bullet points under something like:

The game officials are:
a) Referee and umpires
b) Timers and scorer

FED does not: The game officials must be a referee and an umpire or a referee and two umpires who shall be assisted by an official timer and scorer.

That whole "who shall be assisted by..." is either poor wording or makes them not game officials.

None of that affects anything I do on a nightly basis. So, it's probably just semantics, depending, of course, on what you mean by semantics.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The NCAAW (and, I assume, NCAAM) rule book have the timer / scorer as officials by including them as bullet points under something like:

The game officials are:
a) Referee and umpires
b) Timers and scorer

FED does not: The game officials must be a referee and an umpire or a referee and two umpires who shall be assisted by an official timer and scorer.

That whole "who shall be assisted by..." is either poor wording or makes them not game officials.

None of that affects anything I do on a nightly basis. So, it's probably just semantics, depending, of course, on what you mean by semantics.

The distinction for NFHS is that they are not "game" officials, but "table" officials.....still officials, just not game officials.

[Freddy]

With all this talk about the distinctions between floor officials and table officials, we really could use the input of our former forum expert CHS Eagle. I'm sending out the Bat Signal for him as soon as the sun goes down.