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Old Mon Feb 20, 2006, 01:31am
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We don't have a shot clock here in Idaho but do for our neighbor Washington State (30 sec. for girls only). I'm wondering what you guys think? As a coach and new official, I still would like to see the clock.

How many states use the shot clock and please tell me your thoughts. Thanks.
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Old Mon Feb 20, 2006, 01:59am
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We have used a shot clock on Long Island, NY for a number of years at the HS level. I think that it is a good thing since it helps prepare the kids for the college game. It s a 35-second clock. In my experience though it is very rare to have a shot clock violation. As a rule, the kids almost never hold onto the ball for that long a period.
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I have officiated women's college basketball for 32 yrs, men's college for thirteen years, and officiated girls' H.S. for two years in California.

NO! NO! NO! The game doesn't need it at any level including NBA/WNBA and FIBA.

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P.S. Get rid of the Alternating Possession and go back to jump balls.
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So, DeNucci, what's your opinion of baseball's designated hitter?
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Old Mon Feb 20, 2006, 03:02am
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So, DeNucci, what's your opinion of baseball's designated hitter?

It is okay for H.S. age and below because it allows more to play, but is not real baseball at the college age and above.

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P.S. Both our sons (ages: 13 and 16) play baseball and consider themselves old school, meaning that they willingly wear their pants in the knickers style.
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Why do you want to do away with AP and return to jump balls?
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Old Mon Feb 20, 2006, 04:35am
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I coach high school boys in California and we have a 35-second clock. I'm not a fan of the shot clock. I rarely see anyone play man-to-man defense in our area because it is harder, in a short time, to consistently move and probe a good zone and low shooting percentages mean that simply shooting over the top of it will be a marginal strategy. Teams zone and run. Maybe I'm just old before my time but I feel like the golden age is gone and the shot clock is largely to blame.

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A shot clock in high school?

Hell, we already have enough problems getting the timer to run the score clock properly in some games now.

Might be OK for the big schools with serious programs. Some of the others? Shudder......
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A shot clock in high school?

Hell, we already have enough problems getting the timer to run the score clock properly in some games now.

Might be OK for the big schools with serious programs. Some of the others? Shudder......
How about a PTS system where the officials reset the clock wirelessly?
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A shot clock in high school?

Hell, we already have enough problems getting the timer to run the score clock properly in some games now.

Might be OK for the big schools with serious programs. Some of the others? Shudder......
LOL, we have a 30 shot clock for girls in MD with no 10 second count in the backcourt.

And you're right, it's an extra headache for the officials at some games, especially in those "rare" instances the shot clock operator doesn't know the rules or is just plain uncoordinated to push the pause or reset buttons. Of course the fans are more than happy to help out with their yelling.
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A shot clock in high school?

Hell, we already have enough problems getting the timer to run the score clock properly in some games now.

Might be OK for the big schools with serious programs. Some of the others? Shudder......
How about a PTS system where the officials reset the clock wirelessly?
This would probably be the only way things might run half way smoothly if HS had a shot clock. Of course, this idea wouldn't work either do to the fact most school don't have the money, therefore couldn't afford the systems.

No shot clock, too many headaches all around.
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LOL, we have a 30 shot clock for girls in MD with no 10 second count in the backcourt.
My association in northern VA officiates some of the Independent School League girls' games and they also use the 30-second shot clock and no 10-second count in the BC. I'm glad we don't have it in non-ISL games.
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Old Mon Feb 20, 2006, 10:41am
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Question Mr. DeNucci:

You've seen the games where the final score is 5-8. Don't you think the shot clock would be better than stalling? I understand that "stalling" is part of the game, but it's a part of the game that makes this great game of basketball boring and in my opinion a long shot clock would help. Thanks for your thoughts.
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Re: Mr. DeNucci:

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You've seen the games where the final score is 5-8. Don't you think the shot clock would be better than stalling? I understand that "stalling" is part of the game, but it's a part of the game that makes this great game of basketball boring and in my opinion a long shot clock would help. Thanks for your thoughts.
Don't you maybe think that a coach should be prepared with a defense if he meets a stall? Ot that a coach might not wish to challenge a stall defensively either?

Thoughts?
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Re: Mr. DeNucci:

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You've seen the games where the final score is 5-8. Don't you think the shot clock would be better than stalling? I understand that "stalling" is part of the game, but it's a part of the game that makes this great game of basketball boring and in my opinion a long shot clock would help. Thanks for your thoughts.


I would guess that there are a between one million and two million basketball games (boys' and girls'; jr. H.S. and H.S.) played in Canada and the United States each school year using NFHS rules. How many end up with scores like 8-5? Not enough to worry about whether the rules need a shot clock.

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