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Old Thu Mar 05, 2020, 10:56am
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ESPN top 10 3/4/20

Anyone see the top 10 today? I think it was #3 that showed A1 with a pretty nice dunk over B1...but I thought the official should have had PC. The top 10 video only showed the play once, so I may not have had a great look.

Can't find the top 10 video online anywhere to get a 2nd look at it, though...
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Old Thu Mar 05, 2020, 02:53pm
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Just because it made the top 10 doesn't mean a foul wasn't called.

I was at a game where a high school player made the top 10. It was a dunk made after play stopped while he had the ball at mid-court. (Indeed, I wasn't sure why it didn't warrant a T to do a show boat dunk that was clearly initiated after play was dead.)
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Old Thu Mar 05, 2020, 03:06pm
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I believe the defender was in the RA
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Old Thu Mar 05, 2020, 03:32pm
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Just because it made the top 10 doesn't mean a foul wasn't called.

I was at a game where a high school player made the top 10. It was a dunk made after play stopped while he had the ball at mid-court. (Indeed, I wasn't sure why it didn't warrant a T to do a show boat dunk that was clearly initiated after play was dead.)
Dunking a dead ball is a T in HS.
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Old Thu Mar 05, 2020, 04:00pm
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Anyone see the top 10 today? I think it was #3 that showed A1 with a pretty nice dunk over B1...but I thought the official should have had PC. The top 10 video only showed the play once, so I may not have had a great look.

Can't find the top 10 video online anywhere to get a 2nd look at it, though...
It's a Men's college game. Clearly called an RA block by the Lead official.
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Old Thu Mar 05, 2020, 04:01pm
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My opinion...
NFHS - The defender establishes LGP when the ball handler is at the division line. From there, he only backs up, which is allowed. Charge.

NCAAM - If I'm reading 4-36-4 correctly, once initial LGP is established, he's allowed to defend that player all the way to the basket...including into the RA. Charge.
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Old Thu Mar 05, 2020, 04:09pm
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NCAAM - If I'm reading 4-36-4 correctly, once initial LGP is established, he's allowed to defend that player all the way to the basket...including into the RA. Charge.
You are correct.
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Old Fri Mar 06, 2020, 12:39pm
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That's what I was wondering too

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You are correct.
Does the RA apply in a transition play like that? Even if it did there was no other defender around so wouldn't that make him primary and therefore mean no RA? No opinion because I never ref'd above HS, just asking.
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Old Fri Mar 06, 2020, 01:36pm
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Does the RA apply in a transition play like that? Even if it did there was no other defender around so wouldn't that make him primary and therefore mean no RA? No opinion because I never ref'd above HS, just asking.
NCAAW -- all defenders are secondary on a fast break.
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Old Fri Mar 06, 2020, 02:09pm
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NCAAM - If I'm reading 4-36-4 correctly, once initial LGP is established, he's allowed to defend that player all the way to the basket...including into the RA. Charge.
Isn't this an outnumber break? There is a teammate of the white player on the left side of the ball handler.

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Old Fri Mar 06, 2020, 02:39pm
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Does the RA apply in a transition play like that? Even if it did there was no other defender around so wouldn't that make him primary and therefore mean no RA? No opinion because I never ref'd above HS, just asking.
On any outnumbered fast break (whether its offense or defense with the advantage), all defenders are considered secondary defenders.
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Old Fri Mar 06, 2020, 03:05pm
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This is an outnumbered fast break. The RA doesn't apply here because the defender gets LGP and then retreats legally into the RA to maintain that LGP. Lotta layers to this play, but it should be a charge.
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Old Fri Mar 06, 2020, 03:14pm
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Lotta layers to this play...
Thank God the NFHS doesn't use the restricted area.

I give you college guys a lot of credit keeping this rule straight and calling it correctly in the blink of an eye.

In addition to the NFHS rules that we high school officials have to watch for (which are tough enough to see by themselves in a bang bang play), you college guys have to count players (do the math), identify primary and secondary defenders, and look for a line on the court.

Where are my glasses?
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