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Old Mon Jan 27, 2020, 08:15pm
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Notre Dame/Florida State video request

At 2:31 in the second half there is a travel and a T called on Notre Dame. This prompted Brey to complain about the officiating in the postgame and call out the official by name.
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Old Mon Jan 27, 2020, 11:40pm
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...For which his school was subsequently fined $20K, and Im sure its in his contract that this will come out of his pocket. To his credit, he has already apologized and accepted responsibility.


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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 02:08am
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The coach was right about it not being a travel.
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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 03:34am
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Another case of calling something because it looks awkward, but not because one observed clear illegal action.
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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 07:46am
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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:54am
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We all miss calls. My problem with this missed call is that the Center official could see the Lead is on the play.

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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:12pm
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We all miss calls. My problem with this missed call is that the Center official could see the Lead is on the play.
What? Transition plays are dual coverage nearly all the time....if there was a travel the Slot would actually have the best look here.

Unfortunate IC, reminder we need to have a HIGH degree of certainty before calling things that result in a turnover especially late in the game.
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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:27pm
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What? Transition plays are dual coverage nearly all the time....if there was a travel the Slot would actually have the best look here.

Unfortunate IC, reminder we need to have a HIGH degree of certainty before calling things that result in a turnover especially late in the game.
Transition or not, the Lead was five feet in front of the player with the ball with an open look at his actions. The Center was about 15 to 20 feet behind the ball looking at the back of the player. Open looks trump inflexible philosophies about coverage areas.



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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:44pm
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Transition or not, the Lead was five feet in front of the player with the ball with an open look at his actions. The Trail was about 15 to 20 feet behind the ball looking at the back of the player. Open looks trump inflexible philosophies about coverage areas.



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I think at the time of the pass / "third foot" coming down, L had another player in the way.

I have no problem with C getting this (assuming it had been a travel, of course).

Unless we talk with L, we won't know whether he saw it and judged it correctly, or didn't see it so didn't call it.
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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 12:46pm
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I think at the time of the pass / "third foot" coming down, L had another player in the way.



I have no problem with C getting this (assuming it had been a travel, of course).



Unless we talk with L, we won't know whether he saw it and judged it correctly, or didn't see it so didn't call it.
If I'm that far behind a play and my partner's right there I'm not coming to get it, especially when I'm looking at the back of the player.

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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 01:01pm
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Transition or not, the Lead was five feet in front of the player with the ball with an open look at his actions. The Trail was about 15 to 20 feet behind the ball looking at the back of the player. Open looks trump inflexible philosophies about coverage areas.
You mean the Center don't you?

In any case the Lead has a couple bodies passing between him and the player with the ball which can obscure his vision the feet/ball/etc.

In your first post you said the Center could see Lead was on the play. In transition there's no way any official should be looking at their partner to see where their eyes are. There's too much going on. In a half court set you generally get a feel for what your partners can and can't see but in transition -- all bets are off.
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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 01:18pm
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You mean the Center don't you?



In any case the Lead has a couple bodies passing between him and the player with the ball which can obscure his vision the feet/ball/etc.



In your first post you said the Center could see Lead was on the play. In transition there's no way any official should be looking at their partner to see where their eyes are. There's too much going on. In a half court set you generally get a feel for what your partners can and can't see but in transition -- all bets are off.
The Lead is in the same line of vision as the ball-handler from the Center's vantage point.

We can either continue to do the same things or we can strive to get better by looking at plays where we (officials) make mistakes and figure out how or why it should have been handled differently.

I have also learned from my own personal experiences not to call travels when I don't see the ball thru the entire sequence. There is a point where the ball handler's back is completely turned to the Center official, therefore he would have no idea if there was a bobble or not during those two steps.

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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 01:26pm
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To me this wasn't even a "because it looked funny" travel. It didn't even enter my mind when I watched the play for the first time (I didn't know a travel was the call that preceded the T).

We all have bad ICs.
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Old Tue Jan 28, 2020, 01:26pm
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... not to call travels when I don't see the ball thru the entire sequence. There is a point where the ball handler's back is completely turned to the Center official, therefore he would have no idea if there was a bobble or not during those two steps.
Good point, especially when the coach and fans see the ball being bobbled.
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