back court?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Was player or team control ever established in the front court?

Almost the right question. There need not ever be player control in the FC in order to have a backcourt violation, only team control.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Almost the right question. There need not ever be player control in the FC in order to have a backcourt violation, only team control.

True in many situations. In this situation "team control" in the FC is dependent on the player first having player control in the FC, which did not happen. Bas2456's question whether A2 had established PC on the throw in pass in the FC is relevant in this situation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by billyu2

True in many situations. In this situation "team control" in the FC is dependent on the player first having player control in the FC, which did not happen. Bas2456's question whether A2 had established PC on the throw in pass in the FC is relevant in this situation.

It is a lot easier to use universal concepts rather than trying to remember 100 scenarios.

1. Is there team control inbounds (started by player control inbounds)?
2. Does the ball then have/gain FC status?
3. Is team A the last to touch BEFORE it returns to the BC?
4. Is team A the first to touch AFTER it returns to the BC?

No to any question means it is not a violation.

There are 3 listed exceptions that also make it no, but those need not be considered unless the above questions are all yes.

Adding that...

5. Was team control established by airborne player who lands with one or both feet in the backcourt from a jump ball, steal, or on a throwin?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Was team control established by airborne player who lands with one or both feet in the backcourt from a rebound, steal, or on a throwin?

During a throwin, or jump ball, any player; or a defensive player, in making a steal; may legally jump from his, or her, frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor, and return to the floor with one, or both, feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing, and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt, or the backcourt. These three situations are not backcourt violations.

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control when coming from a throwin); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is a lot easier to use universal concepts rather than trying to remember 100 scenarios.

5. Was team control established by airborne player who lands with one or both feet in the backcourt from a rebound, steal, or on a throwin?

Rebound no longer applies after the NFHS changed the wording of the rule several years ago. Replace it with jump ball and your #5 meets the current rules.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Rebound no longer applies after the NFHS changed the wording of the rule several years ago. Replace it with jump ball and your #5 meets the current rules.

You are correct....although, I wonder if they really intended to make that change.

I would love to see that rule changed to say that a player establishing team control is excepted from the backcourt rule until both feet are down, whether entirely airborne or with only one foot down.