Tip with .2 seconds waved off

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Player989random

Hell if he's generous it'll be the rest of the season. If I was the coach, I'd be demanding their heads on pikes and to burn down their homes.

This is an officiating board. Be better or go away.


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[Player989random]

Originally Posted by SC Official

They got it wrong, but it just as easily can happen to any of us. Easy to judge sitting behind a computer screen.

Oh one guy might make that mistake. The second guy might make that mistake. But all 3 coming to the same conclusion? I'm here to say, this isn't something I'd screw up.

BI, GT, OOB, fouls, sure, I've screwed all of these up. Last-second shots, even. But whether or not something was a tap vs. a shot? And if his justification (which is what it looks like when he goes to the table) was that you can't "tap" with two hands? God no. Where is that in the rule book?

Originally Posted by Rich

This is an officiating board. Be better or go away.

Yup, and I'm an official that works the same level as these guys. If I screwed up that badly, nothing good should come of it. I'd expect to be dismissed from the staff or lose quite a few games.

A HS coach around here lost on a shot with .3 seconds left, and he lost his mind. I'd do the same and likely go further.

[JRutledge]

This is a clear miss. Obviously, they got together and discussed what could happen. But I feel they did not consider that a tap can be with two hands. I think they took the "Catch and shoot" interpretation too much to heart.

And most of all they all were adamant to wave this off, which I am not an advocate for. Now if it was a clear catch and shoot, then yes I have no problem with the calling officials on the play to make a ruling. But it seems like to me they should have discussed this. The shot was obviously off in time. Unfortunately, they probably did not have a monitor either.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Player989random

Hell if he's generous it'll be the rest of the season. If I was the coach, I'd be demanding their heads on pikes and to burn down their homes.

Please stop with the hyperbole. I would certainly expect some suspension for the misapplication of a rule, but not more than that. It is not like officials at this level make games with a comma on them. These might be otherwise very good officials that made a mistake that is easy in this situation to point out. But losing the rest of the season (if they have many more games anyway) is a bit much. Perspective my man, perspective.

Originally Posted by Player989random

Yup, and I'm an official that works the same level as these guys. If I screwed up that badly, nothing good should come of it. I'd expect to be dismissed from the staff or lose quite a few games.

A HS coach around here lost on a shot with .3 seconds left, and he lost his mind. I'd do the same and likely go further.

I also work at this level. I would hope that if this happened to me my background would be a consideration and the other good things I have done for this assignor. And in my case, working this level is also for a person that assigns more than this level of NCAA ball. And you better be careful if you think a coach is going to go nuts on many of us even if he does not like the call.

Peace

[Rufus]

But I do know that in HS we would make sure, either in discussion during the dead ball or signal by the appropriate official, who had last-second shot like that. Only if the other two had definitive information contrary to the calling official's take on the play would they go to them and let them know what they saw.

All that being said, why are all three officials making a call in this case? Shouldn't it just be one?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rufus

All that being said, why are all three officials making a call in this case? Shouldn't it just be one?

It should if the only issue is whether the shot is off. I have no problem with another official making a ruling if they clearly see a catch and shoot. But that needs to be discussed, which it appears they did. But I would not be ruling on this without definite knowledge of this play. The lead honestly is the last person in this kind of play to be doing so.

There was a play at the college level some years ago where a full court pass resulted in a last-second shot and the new lead waived off the shot on a clear catch and shoot. There was even a video posted here. I am going to see if I can find the play and post it. That was a great example of making a clear ruling and not being the official making the last-second shot determination.

Peace

[SC Official]

I always cover last-second shots in my pregame.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I always cover last-second shots in my pregame.

I know what you are doing here, but I think you should if for no other reason to know what philosophies your partner thinks. And one of the things I always discuss, for the most part, is if we give up the responsibility from the T or C, then we need to discuss if he can to make that clear what we are doing in that shot. Like a full-court pass or a shot in the corner.

Peace

[rbruno]

As was said ... in slow motion easy call for tap and made hoop. In real time this is more dicey I believe. Also its 0.2 seconds for crying out loud. We can't count that and maybe the clock "started" late. Again not to blame a clock operator or the mechanism itself. It takes a split second for anyone operating the clock to press and then for the "machine" to activate. This is spit seconds at that. Always felt that no one can even tap in 0.2 seconds... just my 2 cents.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by rbruno

As was said ... in slow motion easy call for tap and made hoop. In real time this is more dicey I believe. Also its 0.2 seconds for crying out loud. We can't count that and maybe the clock "started" late. Again not to blame a clock operator or the mechanism itself. It takes a split second for anyone operating the clock to press and then for the "machine" to activate. This is spit seconds at that. Always felt that no one can even tap in 0.2 seconds... just my 2 cents.

Of course you can. The ball just can't settle at all in your hand as you do so.

[Freddy]

Looks like they got one right here locally last week . . .
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