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Old Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:28am
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How does it save time?

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It's something I read or heard directly from an NBA official.



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Old Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:56am
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I am not questioning you. I am just curious as to how ti saves time. If it does, I'd be in favor of implementing it at all levels.
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Old Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:36am
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I am not questioning you. I am just curious as to how ti saves time. If it does, I'd be in favor of implementing it at all levels.
Kind of fuzzy on the conversation/details because I really didn't care, but I believe it's intended to get the players lined up quicker.

I want to say it was part of a package of changes that were made to speed up the game.

I work a Pro-Am every summer that uses NBA rules, and we are expected to know the rules and mechanics no matter what level we work normally.

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Old Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:48am
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"at all levels"

If "at all levels," you mean sub-varsity, not just NCAA, NFHS and FIBA, I doubt it would save time in 2-ref sub-varsity games.

In the old days, with two officials, the T would step into the lane with the ball, announce the number of shots, turn and hand the ball to the shooter, then step out and back. If I recall correctly, it was precisely to speed things up that the mechanic was changed to have the L administer FTs.

Why must 2-ref and 3-ref systems have the same mechanic on FTs, besides some abstract notion of consistency? Refs can adapt easily enough. Besides, if you hustle, get players lined up quickly and keep the game moving, how much more time would actually be saved?
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Old Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:05pm
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In the old days, with two officials, the T would step into the lane with the ball, announce the number of shots, turn and hand the ball to the shooter, then step out and back.
LRZ has a good memory. That was a really long time ago.

And if I recall correctly, the trail official was always on the left side of the free throw shooter (Cadillac position).

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Old Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:45pm
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I think your recollection is accurate, BillyMac. In those days, we always "worked right," I think we called it: ie, as we faced the basket, with the play ahead of us, we were on the left side of the court, with the action ahead and to our right. If we had to be on the other side of the court, for a TI, perhaps, the mechanic was for the T to swing back over to the left side when he/she could, and then the L would rotate in tandem.
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Old Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:02pm
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If we had to be on the other side of the court, for a TI, perhaps, the mechanic was for the T to swing back over to the left side when he/she could, and then the L would rotate in tandem.
Again, LRZ is correct.

We called this "working opposite". The trail dictated how long we would work opposite.

Different officials had different tolerances for how long they could work opposite. Some guys didn't mind it and we could go up and down the court a few times working opposite. Others, as the trail, swung around to working Cadillac position as soon as they could after the throwin, so fast it would make your head spin, even if it meant not covering the action from the best position.

Decades later, to this day, I'm still more comfortable as the new lead running up the court looking over my left shoulder (Cadillac position) than as the new lead running up the court looking over my right shoulder (working opposite).

And if I'm diagramming primary coverage areas to a rookie, I will always start the diagram with the Cadillac position.

A few years ago, after reporting a shooting foul to the table, as I became the new trail after a switch, I went to the left of the free throw shooter rather than opposite the table which was to the right of the free throw shooter (my partner, as lead, simply moved across the lane).

I swear that it was more than just a brain fart, but something that came up unconsciously from deep within the dark recesses of my mind.

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Old Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:18pm
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I think your recollection is accurate, BillyMac. In those days, we always "worked right," I think we called it: ie, as we faced the basket, with the play ahead of us, we were on the left side of the court, with the action ahead and to our right. If we had to be on the other side of the court, for a TI, perhaps, the mechanic was for the T to swing back over to the left side when he/she could, and then the L would rotate in tandem.


The board/association I currently work for in Virginia still uses this old school mechanic for 2-person. They even still call it Cadillac. I’d bet we’re as rare as a multiple foul in that regard.


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