When Do They Travel ???

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For the coach and fans -- it's a somewhat pervasive myth. Maybe it was the rule at some point in some code -- I certainly heard the myth more frequently 20 years ago than I do now.

For the partner -- no excuse.

I used to hear it all the time playing pickup ball, but I never heard it once as an official.

I'm pretty sure it was my very first year in officiating that I learned it was not a travel and I was surprised by that.

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[LRZ]

In true BillyMac mode, let's change the scenario slightly.

Two airborne teammates jointly control the ball on a rebound, and each alights simultaneously on both feet. A1 and A2 each move one foot in attempting to wrestle the ball from each other; A2 then moves his/her pivot foot.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by LRZ

In true BillyMac mode, let's change the scenario slightly.

Two airborne teammates jointly control the ball on a rebound, and each alights simultaneously on both feet. A1 and A2 each move one foot in attempting to wrestle the ball from each other; A2 then moves his/her pivot foot.

If by "moves his/her pivot foot" you mean A2 lifts his/her pivot foot and returns it to the floor all while both are still holding the ball, you then have a travel....if either travel, it is a travel.

[LRZ]

Yes, a lesson for the young 'uns, as BillyMac would say.

[BillyMac]

Did somebody invoke my name?

Originally Posted by LRZ

In true BillyMac mode, let's change the scenario slightly ... A1 and A2 each move one foot in attempting to wrestle the ball from each other; A2 then moves his/her pivot foot.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If by "moves his/her pivot foot" you mean A2 lifts his/her pivot foot and returns it to the floor all while both are still holding the ball, you then have a travel....if either travel, it is a travel.

Originally Posted by LRZ

Yes, a lesson for the young 'uns, as BillyMac would say.

Camron is correct where he describes A2 as "lift(ing) his/her pivot foot and return(ing) it to the floor". 100% illegal.

For the yong'uns, just lifting the pivot foot alone is not enough to make this illegal. A2 can lift the pivot foot and legally pass, shoot, request a timeout (or leave the pivot foot in the air until the end of the period). Of course, under these circumstances, A2 may not start a dribble since he's already lifted his pivot foot.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

For the yong'uns, just lifting the pivot foot alone is not enough to make this illegal. A2 can lift the pivot foot and legally pass, shoot, request a timeout (or leave the pivot foot in the air until the end of the period). Of course, under these circumstances, A2 may not start a dribble since he's already lifted his pivot foot.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... if either travel, it is a travel.

If both travel, but not simultaneously, it's the extremely rare, probably mythological (or extinct), oft discussed over a few adult beverages around a roaring campfire, possibly never actually observed, false double travel. Penalize in order of occurrence, throwin at the point of interruption.

[ilyazhito]

That is not possible. If one player travels, then the play becomes dead from that point. No violations can occur while the ball is dead.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

That is not possible. If one player travels, then the play becomes dead from that point. No violations can occur while the ball is dead.

Someone missed the attempt at humor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

That is not possible. If one player travels, then the play becomes dead from that point. No violations can occur while the ball is dead.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Someone missed the attempt at humor.

If both A-5 and A-6 lift and put back down their pivot feet simultaneously, it's a double travel violation and both A-5 and A-6 are credited with one half of one turnover in the scorebook. Throwin at the point of interruption. It's true. It's true.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Someone missed the attempt at humor.

#itwasn'tfunny
The point of interruption is possession by B from the nearest spot, with the shot clock reset to 30 seconds (unless we're playing with a 24-second shot clock).