When Do They Travel ???

[BillyMac]

A5 and A6 simultaneously come down with a rebound, both holding the ball, with all four feet stationary on the floor.

While both are holding the ball, what can they legally do without traveling?

1) A5 and A6 simultaneously come down with a rebound, both holding the ball, with all four feet stationary on the floor?

2) A5 and A6 simultaneously come down with a rebound, both holding the ball. A5 keeps both feet stationary, and A6 sets a pivot foot that remains stationary while moving the other nonpivot foot?

3) A5 and A6 simultaneously come down with a rebound, both holding the ball. A6 keeps both feet stationary, and A5 sets a pivot foot that remains stationary while moving the other nonpivot foot?

4) A5 and A6 simultaneously come down with a rebound, both holding the ball. A5 sets a pivot foot that remains stationary while moving the other nonpivot foot while A6 simultaneously sets a pivot foot that remains stationary while moving the other nonpivot foot (e.g., both set pivot feet and both move the nonpivot feet)?

If any of these are travel violations, citations please.

[Raymond]

Each player is allowed their own pivot foot.

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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

citations please.

4.42.4B (last year's book)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Each player is allowed their own pivot foot

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

4.42.4B (last year's book)

Thanks guys. I agree, but had a partner, coach, and some fans who thought otherwise.

4.44.2 SITUATION B: Airborne A1 and A2 jointly grab the rebound and each alights simultaneously on both feet. A1 and A2 each move one foot in attempting to wrestle the ball from each other before realizing they are teammates. A1 lets go and A2 dribbles away. RULING: Legal. There has been no violation as neither A1 or A2 moved their pivot foot while they were in joint control.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks guys. I agree, but had a partner, coach, and some fans who thought otherwise.

For the coach and fans -- it's a somewhat pervasive myth. Maybe it was the rule at some point in some code -- I certainly heard the myth more frequently 20 years ago than I do now.

For the partner -- no excuse.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For the partner -- no excuse.

I think that the large diamond stud that he was wearing in his ear was interfering with his brain.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For the coach and fans -- it's a somewhat pervasive myth. Maybe it was the rule at some point in some code -- I certainly heard the myth more frequently 20 years ago than I do now.

For the partner -- no excuse.

I used to hear it all the time playing pickup ball, but I never heard it once as an official.

I'm pretty sure it was my very first year in officiating that I learned it was not a travel and I was surprised by that.

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[LRZ]

In true BillyMac mode, let's change the scenario slightly.

Two airborne teammates jointly control the ball on a rebound, and each alights simultaneously on both feet. A1 and A2 each move one foot in attempting to wrestle the ball from each other; A2 then moves his/her pivot foot.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by LRZ

In true BillyMac mode, let's change the scenario slightly.

Two airborne teammates jointly control the ball on a rebound, and each alights simultaneously on both feet. A1 and A2 each move one foot in attempting to wrestle the ball from each other; A2 then moves his/her pivot foot.

If by "moves his/her pivot foot" you mean A2 lifts his/her pivot foot and returns it to the floor all while both are still holding the ball, you then have a travel....if either travel, it is a travel.

[LRZ]

Yes, a lesson for the young 'uns, as BillyMac would say.

[BillyMac]

Did somebody invoke my name?

Originally Posted by LRZ

In true BillyMac mode, let's change the scenario slightly ... A1 and A2 each move one foot in attempting to wrestle the ball from each other; A2 then moves his/her pivot foot.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If by "moves his/her pivot foot" you mean A2 lifts his/her pivot foot and returns it to the floor all while both are still holding the ball, you then have a travel....if either travel, it is a travel.

Originally Posted by LRZ

Yes, a lesson for the young 'uns, as BillyMac would say.

Camron is correct where he describes A2 as "lift(ing) his/her pivot foot and return(ing) it to the floor". 100% illegal.

For the yong'uns, just lifting the pivot foot alone is not enough to make this illegal. A2 can lift the pivot foot and legally pass, shoot, request a timeout (or leave the pivot foot in the air until the end of the period). Of course, under these circumstances, A2 may not start a dribble since he's already lifted his pivot foot.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... if either travel, it is a travel.

If both travel, but not simultaneously, it's the extremely rare, probably mythological (or extinct), oft discussed over a few adult beverages around a roaring campfire, possibly never actually observed, false double travel. Penalize in order of occurrence, throwin at the point of interruption.

[ilyazhito]

That is not possible. If one player travels, then the play becomes dead from that point. No violations can occur while the ball is dead.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

That is not possible. If one player travels, then the play becomes dead from that point. No violations can occur while the ball is dead.

Someone missed the attempt at humor.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

That is not possible. If one player travels, then the play becomes dead from that point. No violations can occur while the ball is dead.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Someone missed the attempt at humor.

If both A-5 and A-6 lift and put back down their pivot feet simultaneously, it's a double travel violation and both A-5 and A-6 are credited with one half of one turnover in the scorebook. Throwin at the point of interruption. It's true. It's true.