The T That Wasn't

[LRZ]

"'When does it become a jump ball? If there is one foul in there, there are 5. Just call the tie up.'"

I'll rephrase Camron Rust's comment: In fact, what he said probably was correct.

Especially if I anticipate a physical game, I may say to my partner in our pre-game, "Let's get in there quickly when we have a scrum, so no one gets hurt. And we can call the held ball, instead of a foul."

[UNIgiantslayers]

If he's got a reputation with me for being a jerk like that, I'm likely a lot less patient with him. I probably lean toward T but I've been accused of having a short fuse with them.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by LRZ

"'When does it become a jump ball? If there is one foul in there, there are 5. Just call the tie up.'"

I'll rephrase Camron Rust's comment: In fact, what he said probably was correct.

Especially if I anticipate a physical game, I may say to my partner in our pre-game, "Let's get in there quickly when we have a scrum, so no one gets hurt. And we can call the held ball, instead of a foul."

Great point.

I find thisa difference between when I do boys games and girls games. Pregame for boys games and any sort of contact stuff tends to have people saying things like the above or "don't let it get chippy but don't go looking for stuff to call" . Vs. girls games I'll have partners or crews where its more "i don't want 200 jump balls tonight lets get a couple fouls early and set a tone see if we can keep hands out of there" or "we've really got to protect the ball handler lets be tight on the hand contact early".

Not saying its right or wrong just a pattern I've noticed with people I work with in terms of similar issues with guys and girls games.

[LRZ]

As a sub-varsity official, I'm typically dealing with raging-hormonal boys, or awkward, still-growing boys and girls, so I can appreciate both pre-game perspectives (quick jump ball/early foul). But in many of my games, players seem to never learn: the latter attitude would result in 200 fouls! I'll take 200 held balls over 200 fouls any day! I often trot out a line that we need a board game spinner, not an AP arrow.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by LRZ

As a sub-varsity official, I'm typically dealing with raging-hormonal boys, or awkward, still-growing boys and girls, so I can appreciate both pre-game perspectives (quick jump ball/early foul). But in many of my games, players seem to never learn: the latter attitude would result in 200 fouls! I'll take 200 held balls over 200 fouls any day! I often trot out a line that we need a board game spinner, not an AP arrow.

They will learn. Players want to play. If they keep fouling out, they'll adapt so they can stay in the game. That only works, however, if the fouls get called. If you don't call them and foul them out, they have no reason to learn.

Plus, you can't get to 200 fouls unless each team has over 20 players on the roster. Hey, your game could be even shorter if you foul them all out by the 3rd quarter!