OOB violation?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by thumpferee

Loose ball near sideline. A1 retrieves the ball with both feet on the floor, but his momentum is carrying him OOB.
A1 then (a) pushes the ball to the floor, (b) throws the ball onto the court, steps OOB, legally re-establishes himself back on the playing court, grabs the ball and begins to dribble. (c) begins a dribble before going OOB, comes back in and continues to dribble.

Thanks in advance!

(a) legal. edit: Now also illegal dribble / double dribble given the clarification in post 12

(b) illegal dribble / double dribble

(c) legal

Some version of this is in the case book, iirc.

[SNIPERBBB]

As Bob said ..

7.1.1 SITUATION D

A1 jumps from inbounds to retrieve an errant pass near a boundary line. A1 catches the ball while in the air and tosses it back to the court. A1 lands out of bounds and (a) is the first to touch the ball after returning inbounds; (b) returns inbounds and immediately dribbles the ball; or (c) picks up the ball after returning to the court and then begins a dribble.

Legal in (a) and (b). Illegal in (c) as the controlled toss of the ball to the court by A1 constitutes the start of a dribble, dribbling a second time after picking up the ball is an illegal dribble violation. (4-15-5, 4-15-6d, 4-35, 9-5)
2019-20 NFHS Basketball Case Book - NFHS © 2019

[SNIPERBBB]

Though I would have to say if the player starts a dribble then goes out of bounds and comes back in and still dribble, that would be an OOB violation as while the player is a dribbler, he cannot go out of bounds regardless of of he's touching the ball or not.

ART. 1... A player must not cause the ball to go out of bounds.

NOTE: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Though I would have to say if the player starts a dribble then goes out of bounds and comes back in and still dribble, that would be an OOB violation as while the player is a dribbler, he cannot go out of bounds regardless of of he's touching the ball or not.

ART. 1... A player must not cause the ball to go out of bounds.

NOTE: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

It could qualify as an interrupted dribble and thus not be a violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It could qualify as an interrupted dribble and thus not be a violation.

4-15-6-D: Out-of-bounds violation does not apply on the player involved in
the interrupted dribble.

4-15-5: An interrupted dribble occurs when the ball is loose after
deflecting off the dribbler or after it momentarily gets away from the
dribbler.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Though I would have to say if the player starts a dribble then goes out of bounds and comes back in and still dribble, that would be an OOB violation as while the player is a dribbler, he cannot go out of bounds regardless of of he's touching the ball or not.

ART. 1... A player must not cause the ball to go out of bounds.

NOTE: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

(A), (B), AND (C) in the OP are all the beginning of dribbles. Given that it was the momentum of chasing the loose ball (I assume) that led to going OOB, the rule on stepping on the boundary while dribbling does not apply or is superceded by the momentum exception, or it's an interrupted dribble, or ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.

9-3-1-Note does not apply to an interrupted dribble.