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Old Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:08pm
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I think you missed a piece there. The rule knowledge issue isn't about the basket scoring, but about the application of the coach challenge and what could be challenged and when. Unfortunately, the article doesn't explain much about the actual rule and where the mistake was in denying the coach challenge. I'd really like to hear the full story and full reasoning.
Even that is a new rule. Even that piece if not been said one way or the other what was misapplied. There are many rules that come into play that are not well thought out and that is why many did not like the replay challenges in the first place. Officials at all levels make mistakes and this is no different. I just think it is funny how some people act when a mistake is made like they never make mistakes or never made mistakes in their career. I know I have and learned from them and likely did not make those mistakes again.

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Old Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:20pm
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You guys are missing the point.
At least MY point.
I can live with all the mistakes.
Didn’t think it went in...
Reviewable or not...
Challenge legit...
Etc...

Then a proper protest was filed and the commissioner stated that the protest was correct.
BUT we are not going to uphold it because the offended had enough time to make up the 2 points.

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Old Tue Dec 10, 2019, 04:23pm
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You guys are missing the point.
At least MY point.
I can live with all the mistakes.
Didn’t think it went in...
Reviewable or not...
Challenge legit...
Etc...

Then a proper protest was filed and the commissioner stated that the protest was correct.
BUT we are not going to uphold it because the offended had enough time to make up the 2 points.

Yes, embarrassment!!!
That is not what they said. And a protest is not about the rule that is misapplied, but the resolution to the actual protest. A protest was basically asking to overturn the result or play the game over again at the point of the mistake. So if a block/charge call is misapplied with a similar 13 point lead, and that is stated there was a mistake, are we going back to play that game at that point? No, and that is the overall point of what took place here.

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Old Tue Dec 10, 2019, 04:43pm
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"... the crew informed the coaching staff that a basket interference violation had been called on Harden."
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Old Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:44pm
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I fail to understand why the rules do not allow the officials do replay any odd situation. At times, strange things happen and, due to their oddity, we are unsure how to react. For any moment like that, why not allow, at the discretion of the officials, to review something. Everybody in the world was confused when the play happened, including the officials. Why not make it something they can review at their discretion? Problem solved.

I always thought something similar should be in the NFL and other sports. Think of its usefulness in last year's Saint's playoff game.

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Old Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:04am
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I fail to understand why the rules do not allow the officials do replay any odd situation. At times, strange things happen and, due to their oddity, we are unsure how to react. For any moment like that, why not allow, at the discretion of the officials, to review something. Everybody in the world was confused when the play happened, including the officials. Why not make it something they can review at their discretion? Problem solved.

I always thought something similar should be in the NFL and other sports. Think of its usefulness in last year's Saint's playoff game.

Agree/disagree?
For one, as much as people say they like replay, they really do not like replay to be applied. So if you say they can look at anything, we will have debates about what they can look at all the time. So you have to have some parameters, just like all levels do. You want officials looking at every foul and taking several minutes to figure out if that foul really happened?

This was such an unusual situation and I would suspect most have never seen a situation like this and probably have never seen it like that in any game they have personally officiated.

And people bring up the Saints game, but there were several aspects of that play that were debatable (this is why you cannot rely on the sports media for officiating situations). The ball might have been tipped and even a possibility of the ball not being in the area at the time of contact (which matters BTW), all likely played a role in the original call. And now they do not overturn any PI and people are mad when they don't and when they have overturned the call which is rare under those new NFL rules.

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Old Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:07pm
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I fail to understand why the rules do not allow the officials do replay any odd situation. At times, strange things happen and, due to their oddity, we are unsure how to react. For any moment like that, why not allow, at the discretion of the officials, to review something. Everybody in the world was confused when the play happened, including the officials. Why not make it something they can review at their discretion? Problem solved.
Solved? Are you kidding? So every close call, the coach is going to be barking that the R should go review it? Best way to improve video review is to abolish it. (And while you're at it, get off my lawn . . . )
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Old Thu Dec 12, 2019, 08:03am
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Solved? Are you kidding? So every close call, the coach is going to be barking that the R should go review it? Best way to improve video review is to abolish it. (And while you're at it, get off my lawn . . . )
Every close call? Huh? I indicated odd plays, plays that are very strange and rarely occur. I understand JRuts point too but again, I am talking about giving the authority of the Referee, perhaps after a discussion with the crew, to review a weird situation. Close calls are common and happen all the time. Harden's play is extremely rare and using the review for such a strange play would have resulted in them getting it correct.
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Old Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:22am
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Every close call? Huh? I indicated odd plays, plays that are very strange and rarely occur. I understand JRuts point too but again, I am talking about giving the authority of the Referee, perhaps after a discussion with the crew, to review a weird situation.

Close calls are common and happen all the time. Harden's play is extremely rare and using the review for such a strange play would have resulted in them getting it correct.
What is that standard going to be? Because weird or unusual will likely have to be defined. And then that might be very broad to where you review all kinds of things. And we might get some reviews that would not be intended by the stated rules.

Bottom line from my point of view, there are too many reviews in sports. I get that we want to get things right, but they are usually taking too long or unncessary.

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Christ. All these holier-than-thou officials shrieking about "accountability" and haven't sniffed the level of accountability these guys are subject to. SMDH.

The crew was punished for misapplying the relevant rules. What the punishment was is not our business. In high school games rules get kicked all the time and it never gets back to the assigner because the coaches don't know the rules more often than not.

Unfortunate, but not surprising, to see low-level officials basically calling for the crew's jobs.
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Old Thu Dec 12, 2019, 02:03pm
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"While agreeing that the referees misapplied the rules, Commissioner Silver determined that the Rockets had sufficient time to overcome the error during the remainder of the fourth quarter and two subsequent overtime periods and thus the extraordinary remedy of granting a game protest was not warranted."

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Old Thu Dec 12, 2019, 02:04pm
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For which they are being disciplined.
Doesn't matter for him.

He's one of those low-level officials who wants his pound of flesh whenever he sees NBA or D1 guys make a mistake.
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Old Thu Dec 12, 2019, 02:30pm
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Christ. All these holier-than-thou officials shrieking about "accountability" and haven't sniffed the level of accountability these guys are subject to. SMDH.

The crew was punished for misapplying the relevant rules. What the punishment was is not our business. In high school games rules get kicked all the time and it never gets back to the assigner because the coaches don't know the rules more often than not.

Unfortunate, but not surprising, to see low-level officials basically calling for the crew's jobs.
I'm injured, so I'm on the shelf for a while. I attended one of the HS games I had to turn back, and the crew kicked 2 rules. On one of them, the coach was complaining, which should have triggered a conversation amongst the crew. We talked about it after the game. I told them at this level you can slide by with it, but in college (one of them just got picked up in D2) the entire crew probably would have lost a game.
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Old Thu Dec 12, 2019, 04:48pm
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I'm injured, so I'm on the shelf for a while. I attended one of the HS games I had to turn back, and the crew kicked 2 rules. On one of them, the coach was complaining, which should have triggered a conversation amongst the crew. We talked about it after the game. I told them at this level you can slide by with it, but in college (one of them just got picked up in D2) the entire crew probably would have lost a game.
And that is the part that people do not realize. And it certainly would have gotten back. I have kicked rules over the years and I did not get a call, email or any correspondence to say we missed a rule at the high school level. I have even kicked rules and no one even realized we kicked the rule until we started talking about it much later.

I am sorry, high school officials crack me up with their positions on what guys at these levels do. I have to see guys lose several games with that conference that year over misapplication of a rule or even judgment. I have known officials to get suspended for not following protocols that have nothing to do with the game between the lines.

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