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Old Fri Nov 22, 2019, 07:58am
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My timeline is blowing up with a replay from the Notre Dame Toledo MBB game.

There is an offensive foul called on the handoff, where the player called for the foul gets blown up. I actually think its a good call, but the world is freaking out.

Don't have a time stamp so someone can actually get video:

https://twitter.com/BadSportsRefs/st...727286272?s=20
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Old Fri Nov 22, 2019, 10:05am
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Player Control Foul ...

Did White 33 stick out his right elbow?

Possibly not knowing the defender was going to end up that close and with no intent to make contact?
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Old Fri Nov 22, 2019, 10:19am
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Play-by-play

2nd half
4:04 Foul on TJ Gibbs. 50 - 45
4:04 TJ Gibbs Turnover. 50 - 45
4:04 Technical Foul on Notre Dame. 50 - 45


TJ GIBBS
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The foul was called on #10 as he ran past the ball handler. He must have given a shove.
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Old Fri Nov 22, 2019, 10:59am
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The foul has to be on number 10. And the play by play posted above confirms it.

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Old Fri Nov 22, 2019, 02:43pm
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2nd half
4:04 Foul on TJ Gibbs. 50 - 45
4:04 TJ Gibbs Turnover. 50 - 45
4:04 Technical Foul on Notre Dame. 50 - 45
TJ GIBBS
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The foul was called on #10 as he ran past the ball handler. He must have given a shove.
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The foul has to be on number 10. And the play by play posted above confirms it.
Certainly not the initial signal given by the nearby trail official.

I wonder what caused him to change his call?
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Old Fri Nov 22, 2019, 02:47pm
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Certainly not the initial signal given by the nearby trail official.



I wonder what caused him to change his call?
What was his initial signal?

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Old Fri Nov 22, 2019, 02:47pm
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Certainly not the initial signal given by the nearby trail official.

All I see him signal is a team control foul. Could be on either player.
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Old Fri Nov 22, 2019, 03:55pm
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All I see him signal is a team control foul. Could be on either player.
It is a TC foul signal. A player pushing his opponent into the ball handler is a TC foul. He gave the proper signal.

And he has Mike Bray in his face immediately. If you see the entire video, the coach realizes he overreacted to the call and almost acts like nothing happened.

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Old Fri Nov 22, 2019, 04:13pm
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What was his initial signal?
Sorry I misinterpreted the video, foul was on White 10, not White 33. I wrongly thought that some wanted a foul charged to the defense.

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Old Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:40pm
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I dont see an obvious foul by white #10 or white #33. The only obvious foul on this play is gold #24 for pushing through the screen.
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Foul on #10 - (Video)



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Old Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:27am
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Still dont see an obvious push-off by white #10.
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Old Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:32am
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Still dont see an obvious push-off by white #10.
Do you have a camera angle that matches the calling official's view?
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Old Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:33pm
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Even from this angle, I could see that White 10 pushed the defender into his teammate. What was the Notre Dame player thinking?
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Old Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:33pm
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Do you have a camera angle that matches the calling official's view?
Hard to imagine the production crew didn't have some other view of this play to show. But, we were not shown one. Usually when something like that happens, we get it from 3-4 angles.

So, to your point, you can't say there wasn't something obvious with just one angle any more than we can be sure of every situation on the floor from just one position. Lacking obviousness on video is a bad threshold to judge the correctness/incorrectness of a call/no-call for the same reasons we talk about open looks and closed looks. The camera angle was a closed look...don't trust it.
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