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Pantherdreams Fri Nov 22, 2019 07:58am

Notre Dame Toledo
 
My timeline is blowing up with a replay from the Notre Dame Toledo MBB game.

There is an offensive foul called on the handoff, where the player called for the foul gets blown up. I actually think its a good call, but the world is freaking out.

Don't have a time stamp so someone can actually get video:

https://twitter.com/BadSportsRefs/st...727286272?s=20

BillyMac Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:05am

Player Control Foul ...
 
Did White 33 stick out his right elbow?

Possibly not knowing the defender was going to end up that close and with no intent to make contact?

Altor Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:19am

Play-by-play
 
2nd half
4:04 Foul on TJ Gibbs. 50 - 45
4:04 TJ Gibbs Turnover. 50 - 45
4:04 Technical Foul on Notre Dame. 50 - 45


TJ GIBBS
Notre Dame Fighting Irish
#10
Guard

The foul was called on #10 as he ran past the ball handler. He must have given a shove.

Raymond Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:59am

The foul has to be on number 10. And the play by play posted above confirms it.

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BillyMac Fri Nov 22, 2019 02:43pm

Changes (David Bowie, 1971) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Altor (Post 1035425)
2nd half
4:04 Foul on TJ Gibbs. 50 - 45
4:04 TJ Gibbs Turnover. 50 - 45
4:04 Technical Foul on Notre Dame. 50 - 45
TJ GIBBS
Notre Dame Fighting Irish
#10
Guard
The foul was called on #10 as he ran past the ball handler. He must have given a shove.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1035427)
The foul has to be on number 10. And the play by play posted above confirms it.

Certainly not the initial signal given by the nearby trail official.

I wonder what caused him to change his call?

Raymond Fri Nov 22, 2019 02:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1035431)
Certainly not the initial signal given by the nearby trail official.



I wonder what caused him to change his call?

What was his initial signal?

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bob jenkins Fri Nov 22, 2019 02:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1035431)
Certainly not the initial signal given by the nearby trail official.


All I see him signal is a team control foul. Could be on either player.

JRutledge Fri Nov 22, 2019 03:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1035433)
All I see him signal is a team control foul. Could be on either player.

It is a TC foul signal. A player pushing his opponent into the ball handler is a TC foul. He gave the proper signal.

And he has Mike Bray in his face immediately. If you see the entire video, the coach realizes he overreacted to the call and almost acts like nothing happened.

Peace

BillyMac Fri Nov 22, 2019 04:13pm

Confused In Connecticut ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1035432)
What was his initial signal?

Sorry I misinterpreted the video, foul was on White 10, not White 33. I wrongly thought that some wanted a foul charged to the defense.

Now, where are my house keys?

JRutledge Sun Nov 24, 2019 06:45pm

Foul on #10 - (Video)
 
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/B3IvceDo-R0" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Raymond Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1035464)
Still don’t see an obvious push-off by white #10.

Do you have a camera angle that matches the calling official's view?

ilyazhito Mon Nov 25, 2019 01:33pm

Even from this angle, I could see that White 10 pushed the defender into his teammate. What was the Notre Dame player thinking?

Camron Rust Mon Nov 25, 2019 01:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1035465)
Do you have a camera angle that matches the calling official's view?

Hard to imagine the production crew didn't have some other view of this play to show. But, we were not shown one. Usually when something like that happens, we get it from 3-4 angles.

So, to your point, you can't say there wasn't something obvious with just one angle any more than we can be sure of every situation on the floor from just one position. Lacking obviousness on video is a bad threshold to judge the correctness/incorrectness of a call/no-call for the same reasons we talk about open looks and closed looks. The camera angle was a closed look...don't trust it.

Altor Mon Nov 25, 2019 02:24pm

The obvious foul was the commentators and everyone on the Intarwebs screaming about the officials for calling a foul on the player that was "blown up" when that wasn't at all what was called.

Raymond Mon Nov 25, 2019 04:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1035477)
Nope. Do you?

I'm trying to figure out the reason for this comment:

"Still don’t see an obvious push-off by white #10"

I don't see any posts in this thread where somebody said they saw an obvious push-off.

So if you are disagreeing with the official's call, what basis do you have since you don't have his same angle of the play?

--Yep, just re-checked, and not one person called it an obvious foul on #10.


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