NFHS altercation penalties question

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Billy post the fight play language. They all say if number leaving bench is equal no FTs...

The statements to the effect of having equal numbers are within each of sections on participating and not participating. That suggests the two counts are independent.

There is no overall statement saying participants and non-participants offset each other or all team members coming off the bench offset.

Again, the only statements about offsetting are within the context of whether the players participate or not.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The statements to the effect of having equal numbers are within each of sections on participating and not participating. That suggests the two counts are independent.

There is no overall statement saying participants and non-participants offset each other or all team members coming off the bench offset.

Again, the only statements about offsetting are within the context of whether the players participate or not.

See 10.5.5 section A. The fouls are treated same for FT purposes. If same number leaves bench there will be no FTs. Even if some more participate for one side in fight. The penalty is more indirects to coach if his kids leave bench and participate.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCat

See 10.5.5 section A. The fouls are treated same for FT purposes. If same number leaves bench there will be no FTs. Even if some more participate for one side in fight. The penalty is more indirects to coach if his kids leave bench and participate.

that *can* be true in some circumstances, but it's not a universal truth.

[BigCat]

Each case play says if number leaving bench is same there will be no FTS. Participating gives coach indirects and possibly ejected.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigCat

See 10.5.5 section A. The fouls are treated same for FT purposes. If same number leaves bench there will be no FTs. Even if some more participate for one side in fight. The penalty is more indirects to coach if his kids leave bench and participate.

It appears you're correct. Looking specifically at (c) in that case:

(c) substitutes A6, A7 and B6 do not participate in the fight, but B7 becomes involved in the fight;

The ruling then does say "No FTs...." and adds:

In (c), the Team A head coach is charged indirectly with one technical foul and the Team B head coach is indirectly charged with two technical fouls (one for substitutes B6 and B7 leaving the bench, and one for B7 becoming involved in the fight). In situations (a), (b) and (c), the ball is put in play at the point of interruption.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It appears you're correct. Looking specifically at (c) in that case:



The ruling then does day "No FTs...." and adds:

Great, this is precisely why I posted this thread. I thank BigCat for his help in clarifying how to handle those leaving the benches whether they participate in the altercation or merely observe. I did not have a clear understanding of that.