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Old Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:38pm
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Holds Or Dribbles A Live Ball Inbounds ...

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The count begins when B2 touches the ball in this example.
No it doesn't.

The ten second count begins when a player holds or dribbles a live ball inbounds.
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Old Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:09pm
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To add onto the original play.... The possession arrow is pointing towards Team A. The Trail Official sounds his/her whistle. Signals 10 second/Back court violation.
Now what do you do? Team B never established Team Control. Inadvertent Whistle from Trail Official.
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Old Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:22pm
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No it doesn't.



The ten second count begins when a player holds or dribbles a live ball inbounds.

...If team A isn’t pressing team b can just touch the ball in bounds and sit in the backcourt as long as they’d like?



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Old Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:49pm
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...If team A isn’t pressing team b can just touch the ball in bounds and sit in the backcourt as long as they’d like?
Only until the end of the period buzzer sounds.
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Old Thu Oct 24, 2019, 04:51pm
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Only until the end of the period buzzer sounds.


Welp, I’m glad I no longer play on the off chance you’d be officiating.


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Old Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:13am
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Until The End Of The Period Buzzer Sounds ...

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...If team A isn’t pressing team b can just touch the ball in bounds and sit in the backcourt as long as they’d like?
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Only until the end of the period buzzer sounds.
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I’m glad I no longer play on the off chance you’d be officiating.
And if B1 makes a throwin pass from under Team B’s own basket, while Team A is just passively sitting back in a zone defense, and B2 just touches, but does not control the throwin pass while in Team B’s frontcourt near the division line, and B2 just puts out his hand and touches the pass, the ball falling to the floor, eventually not bouncing, all while B1, B3, B4, B5 are standing in the lane, I’m not starting a three second count, and in fact those four players can stay in the lane until the end of the period buzzer sounds if B2 never holds or dribbles the ball, and just allows it to remain on the floor at his feet.

rwodar. How do you like them apples?
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Old Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:18am
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And if B1 makes a throwin pass from under Team B’s own basket, while Team A is just passively sitting back in a zone defense, and B2 just touches, but does not control the throwin pass while in Team B’s frontcourt near the division line, and B2 just puts out his hand and touches the pass, the ball falling to the floor, eventually not bouncing, all while B1, B3, B4, B5 are standing in the lane, I’m not starting a three second count, and in fact those four players can stay in the lane until the end of the period buzzer sounds if B2 never holds or dribbles the ball, and just allows it to remain on the floor at his feet.



rwodar. How do you like them apples?


I wave the white flag here and concede that there is nothing in the rule book to support my argument. This is a wild scenario that I was wrong about, the 10 second discussion conflicts with the college rule (count starts once ball is legally touched) and it blows my mind how flawed the HS rule seems to be. My apologies for being abrasive about it.


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Old Fri Oct 25, 2019, 08:22am
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Indeed, why not rewrite the NFHS rule for team control (and, by extension, the backcourt 10-second count) to match the college rule? If there is team control for 1 purpose (fouls) why not have team control for other purposes as well.
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Old Fri Oct 25, 2019, 11:20pm
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I wave the white flag here and concede that there is nothing in the rule book to support my argument. This is a wild scenario that I was wrong about, the 10 second discussion conflicts with the college rule (count starts once ball is legally touched) and it blows my mind how flawed the HS rule seems to be. My apologies for being abrasive about it.


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